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The Tragic Death of Bobbie Jo Stinnett

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The Heartbreaking Death of Bobbie Jo Stinnett

It's only been a little over a week on this 22nd day of December in this year of our Lord, 2004 that Bobbie Jo Stinnett was strangled in her own home, her baby of eight months gestation ripped from her womb.

While the victim was a most ordinary American from the red state of Missouri, her murderer, Lisa Montgomery, has to perhaps be one of the strangest, and most dangerous, of people. Lisa Montgomery has been arrested and confessed to the murder of Bobbie Jo Stinnett. More amazing, the baby girl torn from her mother's womb, Victoria Stinnett, is alive and well.

Is Lisa Montgomery crazy?

Because for sure this most unusual crime, replete with twists, turns, curves and bends involving dog shows, internet chat boards, strange cousins, dead dogs, and fake pregnancies, will be the true crime trial of the decade.

Because if Lisa Montgomery is not crazy then she certainly behaved as if she were.

Although the women did, intriguingly, concoct a complicated crime that required crafty duplicity and endless lies.

It still is not known clearly how many children Lisa Montgomery has. Indeed there is even suspicion cast about her four, three or two children and the possibility that THEIR births are also suspect.

I have the accounts of Lisa Montgomery and assert the following:

Lisa Montgomery is currently married to Kevin Montgomery and lives in a ramshackle house in Malvern, Kansas. Both Lisa and Kevin have been married before. It has been stated that Lisa has four children but some personal witness accounts allege she has only two.

Lisa had been married to a Carl Boman. It's still unclear about their children but some accounts state that her eldest child is daughter Desiree, then daughter Chelsea, then son Carl, then youngest daughter Kayla. The three eldest are a year apart and currently attend high school. Lisa claimed in many of her internet posts that her children were all born a year apart. All of Lisa's children have a surname of Boman.

It's also unclear just where these children live. Kayla appears to live with Lisa in that she was actively involved in running her mother's rat terrier kennel.

Lisa and Kevin Montgomery have no children together. Various accounts state that Kevin Montgomery has three children from a prior marriage but beyond that little is known about his children.

Below is an actual post made by Lisa regarding her children.

As for socialization-I had 4 kids a year apart, they learned
co-operation, manners, and are closer than they were before.
As they are all in high school now, and we had plans when they all
graduate, our next ones will be homeschooled the first couple of years.

Lisa


The journey of Lisa Montgomery for the past two years is a twisted and strange one. It would seem that for those two years Lisa has been actively plotting and scheming a way to get a newborn baby. Though I must caution that this is my conclusion only at this point in time. There are, however, various strange clues culled from the rat terrier newsgroup. At this time, many of the Lisa Montgomery postings and the associated web or chat group have been removed from the Internet, presumably by legal authorities.

The Internet being, of course, the Internet, just as soon as the news of this case hit the national radar various and sundry computer gurus managed to download web sites, pictures and quotes from the many places posted to by Lisa Montgomery. I even saved a few juicy tidbits on mine own hard drive. Maybe my electronic cache will be valuable one day for young Kaitlyn Mae.

Below is a picture downloaded from some Internet sleuth who got to it before the site was closed down. Bobbie Jo Stinnett is front, all the way to the right. Lisa Montgomery is in the back all the way to the left. Lisa's daughter, Kayla, is next to Lisa.

Bobbie Jo Stinnett is in the front, far right. Lisa Montgomery is in back row, far left. Posted by Hello


The basic story, or how Lisa got to meet Bobbie Jo, is fairly straightforward.

Both Lisa and Bobbie Jo belonged to a rat terrier aficionados group. This is evident by the pic above, taken at a rat terrier prize event. I am told there are more pics of Bobbie Jo and Lisa together but they have been removed from the Internet. Point being, the two were familiar with each other.

Bobbie Jo would post often to the rat terrier chat group about her expected baby, its sex, her plans for a layette. At the same time, Lisa was posting about her own pregnancy, which, of course, did not exist.

At one point Lisa even, oddly, posted that one of her expected babies died but that the other one was still alive and doing fine. Just how one of those babies died in utero is not clear but not being clear is a benchmark for Lisa Montgomery.

Bobbie Jo has a close friend in the rat terrier chat group, a Jason Dawson. Mr. Dawson was a customer from Lisa's kennel she ran with her first husband, Carl Boman. Jason Dawson was the member of the rat terrier chat group who introduced a “Darlene Fischer” to Bobbie Jo Stinnett.

The connection of Darlene Fischer to Jason Dawson is unclear at this point. Which is to say is not clear if Jason knew a Darlene Fischer but it is known that Dawson introduced Lisa Montgomery to Bobbie Stinnett. It’s not known if Jason Dawson knew a Darlene Fischer but he did feel comfortable enough to introduce this Lisa Montgomery persona to Bobbie Jo Stinnett. This knowing Bobbie Jo would invite Darlene Fischer to her home based on Jason’s recommendation. Also, I must emphasize that the bit about Jason Dawson and Lisa Montgomery’s first kennel ran with her husband is the result of a little Internet sleuthing rather than any published reports. This weird connection was culled from a listing of a sire from the Boman kennels bred to a dam owned by Jason Dawson.

I would also mention that there is much speculation about possible other identities claimed by Lisa Montgomery on various other chat boards. Speculation has it that some posts on religious and other chat groups had much of the same information Lisa Montgomery used in posts under her own name. There’s even posts by a Darlene Fischer peppered about the Internet but further Internet research shows Darlene Fischer is deceased. All of which could be naught but bits and pieces and idle speculation with no connection at all.

Finally there’s beginning to form a trend of strange dog occurrences in Lisa Montgomery’s life. At least one of her champion bitches suddenly disappeared from the rat terrier scene. The explanation was that the bitch died while giving birth to what is called in breeder circles as an “oops” pregnancy, a birth caused by a mating between a champion dog and another not of champion stock, perhaps not even the same breed.

Lisa Montgomery showed up at Bobbie Jo Stinnett’s house on Thursday, Dec. 16, at 12:30 pm. If yon reader has managed to follow the tortured connections above it would be understood that Bobbie Jo knew who Lisa Montgomery was the minute she opened the door. And it was not “Darlene Fischer”, a complete stranger recommended to Stinnett by her friend Jason, but Lisa Montgomery, a woman she already knew via the rat terrier chat group.

A neighbor reports seeing Lisa’s car parked in front of the Stinnett’s house for two hours. So Lisa Montgomery was in the Stinnett house doing God knows what but from the very beginning Bobbie Jo Stinnett knew that she had been fooled into believing someone completely different was coming to visit her. Bobbie Jo had to know trouble was at the door step as soon as she opened her door.

There are many more interesting intrigues to this tale, including a cousin of Lisa Montgomery who claims that Lisa paid her a sudden and unexpected visit when she, Wendy, was eight months pregnant. There’s also the pathetic behavior of Lisa Montgomery the day after her baby’s “birth”:

From the Malvern Daily News Gazette:

She dolled up the tiny girl in a Winnie-the-Pooh outfit and even picked a name for the horribly kidnapped child, Abigail.

"She said that she wanted a name from the Bible," the Rev. Mike Wheatly of the First Church of God in Melvern, Kan., said yesterday.

But it was all a charade, exposed when FBI agents raided Montgomery's century-old farmhouse in eastern Kansas and charged her with the most gruesome of crimes. Montgomery is due in federal court tomorrow.

According to authorities, the 36-year-old suspect was so desperate to have another child she hatched a macabre plan.

On Thursday, posing as a customer interested in buying a rat terrier dog, she drove to see fellow breeder Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, in Skidmore, Mo. She strangled Stinnett - who was eight months pregnant - extracted her fetus and fled, authorities allege. She drove to Topeka, called her husband to tell him she'd gone into labor and asked him to pick up her and the baby.

That afternoon, Montgomery called Wheatly and announced, "I just gave birth." At 9 the next morning, she and Kevin Montgomery showed up at his door with the baby. The pastor was unsettled. The tiny girl had scratches and a bruise, and, unlike the Montgomerys, very long fingers. "It just didn't look like either one of them," he said.

Lisa Montgomery was quiet, but her husband seemed ecstatic. "He had an ear-to-ear grin," Wheatly said. "He was just a proud dad."


It’s a complicated tale but I’d argue many of the details are far more significant that may currently appear. The significance being that by a careful knitting of the details, one can safely conclude that this was not some sudden murder driven by an insane mind. Lisa Montgomery had carefully plotted for several years to steal a baby and yes, her plan was to rip her from a gestating mother’s womb.

Consider her devious methodologies. Lisa Montgomery was known to Bobbie Jo Stinnett. There was no way she could pretend to be a customer looking for a rat terrier as Lisa had her own kennel and showed her own dogs. She had to create a persona, which would be Darlene Fischer, and she had to convince someone close to Bobbie Jo Stinnett to trust her enough to recommend her to Bobbie Jo. Although Lisa’s connection to Bobbie Jo’s friend Jason is not part of any official reports as of yet, let’s speculate that perhaps this “Darlene Fischer” person introduced herself to Jason Dawson as a friend of Lisa Montgomery, formerly Lisa Boman, co-owner of Boman Kennels, home to the sire of Jason’s dam. The pseudo Darlene would know enough about the Bomans and their kennels to convince Jason that she was but an honest would-be dog owner looking for a new and wonderful dog.

Also notice the parallel pregnancies of Lisa and Bobbie Jo. Lisa posted that one of her expected “twins” had died. Perhaps Lisa originally asserted her upcoming twin birth in the event her surrogate mother, Bobbie Jo Stinnett, would also be found to be carrying twins. When Bobbie Jo verified, via chat room posting, that she carried one baby girl, Lisa conveniently announced the loss of one her “twins” before it was even born. The parallel pregnancies were also obviously no coincidence. Lisa Montgomery was covering the eventuality that she would show up one day with a newborn about the same age as Bobbie Jo’s.

Lisa Montgomery faked several other pregnancies according to reports, once claiming a miscarriage, another time a stillborn. These may well have been other parallel pregnancies Lisa was having with other potential victims. The opportunities to strangle the expectant mothers might not have presented themselves thus Lisa’s pregnancies too had to end. There was one occasion when Lisa showed up at her cousin Wendy’s home when she was eight months pregnant. This did occur during one of Lisa’s parallel and faked pregnancies. It’s possible that this pregnant cousin was a possible victim of Lisa’s that could not be carried out to the awful fruition of Bobbie Jo Stinnett.

There’s also the strange death of at least one, possibly more, of Lisa Montgomery’s bitches. The one bitch’s death was asserted by Lisa herself to have died in childbirth as a result of a Caesarian for an “oops” canine pregnancy. As of now there’s only one dog known to have died in childbirth but there’s speculation about other dogs she’s owned that died in the same manner.

Consider Kevin Montgomery’s complete joy at the birth of “Abigail”, the name Lisa gave to Bobbie Jo’s baby. Consider that Kevin Montgomery allegedly has three other children who live with their mother but so far they’ve not been found. Consider that all of Lisa Montgomery’s faked pregnancies happened while she was married to Kevin Montgomery.

Lisa Montgomery wanted to give her husband a child of his own. For whatever reason, she could not get pregnant. So she spent a few years and created a smoke screen of Internet activities, stalking and paralleling pregnancies along with other women of her computer acquaintance that she knew were pregnant.

She carefully practiced removal of the unborn from the mother’s uterus on one, perhaps more, dogs. Lisa knew that strangling the mother than quickly removing the baby via Caesarian was the safest way to extract a living baby.

Lisa created a believable persona to arrange a meeting with Bobbie Jo Stinnett. She used her former acquaintance with Jason Dawson to achieve that end.

Lisa Montgomery is NOT insane. Her behavior over the past three years is a carefully crafted and executed campaign, her plan all along was to extract a newborn baby from a strangled mother’s womb.

Insane people are not aware of whether they do right or wrong. Lisa knew her crime was wrong, thus her fakery and false personas.

Remember this when the trial finally hits the airwaves.

Because Lisa Montgomery’s attorneys are going to plead the woman as insane.

She is not.

For those of you who might be interested in further updates on this case, punctuated by excellent sleuthing by true crime buffs, check out the Usenet Newsgroup "Alt.True-Crime"

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

One of the most shocking crimes I've read about, if only for it's cold calculation. Thank you for your account and thoughts. This was indeed well-written!

Anonymous said...

A couple of things, as I am on my way to Melvern for Christmas, where I grew up.

It's Melvern, not Malvern. Nor is there any such publication as the "Malvern Daily News Gazette", nor any other newspaper in Melvern. Ever.

Anonymous said...

I was another person that I am convinced Lisa Montgomery had her eye on. I, too, am a rat terrier enthusiast - not a breeder, just a pet owner, but spent much time on the rat terrier boards among many, many people - including Lisa, Bobbi, Jason, Kayla - the list goes on and on. I got to know all of these people, including Lisa. In April 2004, I announced MY first pregnancy to my acquaintences on the boards. We (the group members) often talked on instant messengers. It was then that Lisa told me that she was pregnant and said "I got you beat!" - Meaning she was apparently due a week or two ahead of me. Soon after she let me know that she was knitting ME a baby blanket!! Now, let me say, I thought this was an extremely kind and gracious deed from someone I only knew from my computer screen - I thought it was a tad strange, but thought "Wow, there really are nice people out there......" BUT - now I know that she had her eye on me and was trying to get close to me. In June 2004, I very unfortunately miscarried what would have been our first child. I am convinced now that I was probably at least one of her "choices" if not her first - since we (supposedly) were due so close to one another. I believe she told me she was due on December 12th. So, this is something she had planned to a tee! I was devastated at losing our baby at 14 weeks to miscarriage, but my pain is nothing compared to the castastrophic pain that Zeb, Victoria, Kevin and Lisa's Children and families have endured. I do not believe that "everything happens for a reason" - but, I am so thankful that God kept me safe - I just regret that ANYONE else had to suffer this dispicible evil!

Anonymous said...

Out of common decency and respect for all who have been affected, I ask that you remove the photo from your website with your article on Bobby Jo Stinnett. Thanks

Anonymous said...

I am related to Bobby Jo. You need to be very careful what information you post. We don't want a mistrial...
Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Very informative article, but I too ask that it be removed till after the trial.

Anonymous said...

Can you believe it? Lisa pleaded innocent in court Thursday. She admitted she killed Bobby Jo and cut the baby out from her, now she is pleading INNOCENT. She is wasting all of our tax dollars.
There is no justice in the this. This deranged woman needs to be put to death without a trial.

Anonymous said...

Can you believe it? Lisa pleaded innocent in court Thursday. She admitted she killed Bobby Jo and cut the baby out from her, now she is pleading INNOCENT. She is wasting all of our tax dollars.
There is no justice in the this. This deranged woman needs to be put to death without a trial. I would also agree to remove some posts as we do NOT want a mistrial. I am no relation to either families but live in the area of Lisa.

Anonymous said...

Always remember innocent until proven guilty!

Anonymous said...

I live near Melvern, I hope this case ends quickly with no mistrial. I believe Lisa knew what she was doing, and this is just a horrible mess. I pray for all the families touched by this event. But Lisa should not get away with this crime.

Anonymous said...

I think this is a wonderful article, but if the family of Bobbie Jo is asking you to remove it, you should. Please do not jeopardize the chance for justice to be done to Lisa Montgomery. Thank you!!

Anonymous said...

Some people will do anything to thrust themselves in the spotlight, to make themselves feel important or needed. Your story has proven it by far. I seriously doubt you received any permission to take the picture you have posted. You imply and write things which you truly have little to no knowledge. Your blatant disregard for the Stinnett family, for the Montgomery family and for all of the friends and aquaintenances involved is beyond belief. How you can go to sleep at night with a clear concious I don't understand.

Anonymous said...

I also agree you should remove your post. I know some of these people, and can honestly say you are piecing together information and making some incorrect assumptions. Yes, Lisa did a horrible thing, but the other people you are mentioning have enough to deal with, without you dragging them through this not knowing what you are talking about. Let the authorities deal with this one, a mistrial would be a shame given that it's obvious what was done.

Anonymous said...

You shouldn't post an article if you don't the whole story, especially when most of your "facts" aren't true. Why don't you try getting some info that is actually true! There is no newspaper in Melvern, and there never has been....unless you call the one they do at the HS a "newspaper", but that is just for the kids that go there!!! DUH!
For you to assume that the person who did this is a twisted person, when yet you know nothing of her life except for some stupid rumors you heard!

Anonymous said...

Please contact me at www.mwilliamphelps.com if you can tell me anything about this case. I am working on a book with some of the people involved. Please check my credentials at the same website.

Thanks,
M. William Phelps

Anonymous said...

I hope you don't contact M. Willima Phelps. The Phelps are just as deranged as Lisa Montgomery.

Anonymous said...

I had hoped by now you would have removed this. So many of your "facts" are not that at all.

Anonymous said...

Such a horrible story and a sad fact that it is true! The sicko murderer and her family I am sure are the ones wishing you to remove your website. Good for you to keep it up! You wrote a good and informative story.
May she spend the rest of her day's in Jail!!!

Anonymous said...

I am now reading the book about this horrible tragedy. My heart goes out to the Stinnett family and to the precious little girl who will never know her mother in this life.
Lisa Montgomery did the devil's work, and she will one day receive the payment for it. What I would like to know is what kind of a nut is her husband that he couldn't tell she was NOT pregnant. Didn't they sleep in the same bed? And what about her several claims at different time intervals that she was pregnant without any result? She already had a history of telling whoppers, and yet her husband claimed in the book that he believed her. Talk about dense!
May God rid us of such folks as Lisa Montgomery!

Anonymous said...

I, too am reading the book and what frightens me... I was pregnant at the time and spent some time in the hospital due to the flu in Dec 04 and I do not remember hearing this story at all, I was too worried about my dehydration at the time affecting me and my unborn son... so I have no idea how Lisa's trial ended

Anonymous said...

You have alot of "facts" that are not "facts" at all. Did you dream up this stuff like Lisa did?

Anonymous said...

ooooooooo

LAVETT said...

Let me start out by saying I am sorry. I am sorry for ALL that are involved. This was tragic. I have just read the book and I am in a state of shock. I was looking on the internet for how the case ended when I found this. At the time this was going on, I was going through my own family crisis. At the time I had so much going on that I did not pay much attention to the news. I feel horrible that anyone had to experience this, the Stinnet family, Becky Harper, the grandparents, the Bomans, the Montgomerys, and the Shaughnessys. ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN INVOVLED! Even the people who reside in these towns, in our lifetime we affect so many people. We can do it in a matter of seconds, without a second thought!

Anonymous said...

Am I missing something in this story ? Did Montgomery's husband not know that she was not pregnant ? I dont get it, how can you just show up one day and say hey I just gave birth to our child...I hope she goes to hell.Sick minded and twisted woman ! All I can say about her

Anonymous said...

Well Today the annonced The Jury recommends a death sentance and I agree. I believe the punishment should fit the crime. If our dog brutally attacks our neighbour we put the dog down, so why should we expect anything else when a human who knows better does the same thing? Also i think there would be alot less crime in this country if people had something to fear, If the Justice system took a stand and Said "Hey You wont get away with this!"

Anonymous said...

you all are so retarded. argueing about mis spelled words n wrong names...this story touched my heart..im currently reading. ms. phelps books..so good...now its 2010 and everything is put 2 rest..

Anonymous said...

Insanity is not a medical term but a legal one. Because Lisa Montgomery was determined to be "sane" by the courts is irrelevant to her actual psychological impairment at the time of the crime. The question that should be asked is: When should a severe personality disorder be considered equivalent to the legal definition of insanity? Just because an individual understands the difference between right and wrong does not necessarily mean they are capable of making a morally correct decision. Severe personality disorder can compromise ability to make a decision as effectively as the court's definition of insanity.