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Comments/Responses: Lots More on Lisa Montgomery

Comments, Responses and Further Info.

Grandmother Gets No Respect
Some Freepers added a few gems to Grandmother's
own impressive list of 2005 predictions.

You gotta smile. Forthwith:

Sandy Berger STILL won't be in jail.

During the coming year Michael Moore will still be filled with hate, lies and meatball sandwiches.

DEMS tears will run dry and they will ask the government for water money.
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Some Weird Comments on Lisa Montgomery
A few brickbats came my way due to my posting on Lisa Montgomery, confessed murderer of Bobbie Jo Stinnett who also ripped her baby out of her womb. Some brickbats might be deserved, some certainly are not. I'll post them in the interest of fair and balanced though all comments are readily available under each applicable post.

This is to avoid criticism when I DON'T continue to post the bashing or other comments in the future unless I have a response. I have no response to any below and will let the comments speak for themselves.

Careful, Patricia. You're liable to get drool all over your keyboard.

You are so clearly trying to manipulate this poor man to get the edge on a book about Montgomery that it's a bit nauseating.

He seems like a smart guy from his interviews. If it is him I am pretty certain he'll see through your "let MEEEEEEE get YOUR side out!" bullshit.

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Posted by Anonymous to The Kaitlyn Mae Book at 1/3/2005 08:44:46 AM
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I am neither Carl's kid nor am I one of lisa's siblings. I am very close to the family though and I am so sick of the reporting being twisted and bent out of shape so as to be a lie when the media and other webpages get something. I tremble for the Stinnetts when they finally come out and make a statement. Their lose is too much to bear let alone exposed by a trash hungry media and even more trash hungry public. You say that you aren't the media so your part in putting this on the web is much worse as you pass on second hand gossip and make things worse for the innocent victims in this. Just shut up spouting trash and if you must write then write something good or at least the truth if you must print tragedy. I choose to remain anonymous as I too am a private person. I supect that you too want to make money from this as you seem to be so keen to write the book don't you think that is rather sick? That is what I call dirty money.

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Posted by Anonymous to The Kaitlyn Mae Book at 1/3/2005 10:21:05 AM
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I'm so sorry but, you seem poorly educated. You should study up on the topics you discuss, before discussing them.
Just my thoughts ;)

NY

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Posted by Anonymous to The Kaitlyn Mae Book at 1/3/2005 01:23:09 PM

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A Bit More on the Montgomery Case
Below is a picture I came across on the web. It was also featured in a recent National Enquirer. Notice how Lisa Montgomery holds that dog. Weird.

Strange way to hold a dog. Posted by Hello


Also, I received an interesting email which I won't post as it wasn't a comment on this Blog. The emailer asserted that Kayla Boman, Lisa's daughter, hadn't lived with her mother since July 4 of last year. Kayla has been living in Alabama with a friend.

Finally,
the official affidavit on the Lisa Montgomery arrest is online.



77 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why hasn't anyone looked at Kevin Montgomery? I believe is guilty of Aiding and Abedding, at the least.
Topekas Capital-Journal 12-23-04 article, "Past Pregnancy Claims False", reported Lisa Montgomery had her tubes tied in 1990. In that same article Carl Boman's Attorney, James Campbell, "recalls, one of Montgomery's daughters testifying that she had concerns about her mother "and the pregnancies". Kansas City Star, 1-09-05 article, "Montgomery's family saw peril approach" reported: Lisa had four children in a little more than three years. After her fourth child in 1990, Lisa got a tubal ligation, rendering her sterile, said Carl Boman and her sisters. Her Mother was at the hospital when the procedure was done. In that same article it reported: In December 2003, Patty (Lisa's Sister) went to her sister's home, confronted Kevin Montgomery and told him his wife could not be pregnant because she had a tubal ligation in 1990. About a week later, Jerri (Lisa's sister) and their mother (Judy Shaughnessy) went to the home of Kevin Montgomery's parents, Roger and Joy Montgomery. "My mom told them everything"., Jerri said. She warned that Lisa "was fooling you guys". Topeka Capital Journal, 12-19-04 article "Couple Showed off Newborn", reported: Mike Wheatly, Pastor of the First Church of God in Melvern where Lisa and her huband Kevin Montgomery attend church. Said, Lisa was a "small, frail woman, and he and other in town doubted she was pregnant and due to deliver in Dec., as she said". He also ask Lisa about her thinness a month ago. Kansas City Star, 12-21-04 article, "Connection Formed Before Murder, Kidnaping", reported: Pastor Mike Wheatly said that Kevin Montgomery told him that he had recently felt a baby kick inside his wife. Wheatly said he saw Lisa Montgomery in October and commented to her she looked to thin to to eight months pregnant.
In many new reports interviewing people who knew Lisa described her to be, thin, small, frail,skinny as a rail, in her pregnancy.
Kevin Montgomery is the father of 3 children in a previous 16 year marriage. He must have been aware there were NO Medical arrangements. Lisa Montgomery had a flat slim stomach the whole year of 2004. Kevin Montgomery picked his newborn up at a Long John Silvers, parking lot. He must have known, that baby wasn't his. After all he was told Lisa had her tubes tied. If Kevin Montgomery hadn't of covered up Lisa's pregnancy, BOBBIE JO STINNETT MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE!! Kevin Montgomery needs to take a Lie Detector Test.

Anonymous said...

Pat. I'm the one who posted the Why hasn't anyone looked at Kevin Montgomery letter. I wanted to say I love your site keep up the good work!

Anonymous said...

Kevin Montgomery is the father of 3 children from a previous marriage. HE KNOWS WHAT A PREGNANT WOMAN'S BODY LOOKS LIKE. He can't be that profoundly ignorant! He knew Lisa purchased an entire Baby Nursery for their home, months before December 16, 2004. The day Lisa butchered Bobbie Jo Stinnett and ripped her 8 month old fetus, from her body and left 23 year old Bobbie Jo on the floor DEAD.

Anonymous said...

Kevin Montgomery, with his past experience in father hood. Surely must have been there were No medical arrangements. No delivery arrangements, No medical bills, No insurance bills, No medical appointments and No Doctors fees, in Lisa's claim of pregnancy. The Montgomery's obviously had sex, if Lisa was continually getting pregnant. Lisa Montgomery had a flat slim stomach the whole year of 2004. Before and after the murder when she brough baby "Victoria Jo Stinnett" home to her husband, Kevin Montgomery.
Did Kevin Montgomery want a baby and didn't care where Lisa got it from? He proudly held baby "Victoria Jo Stinnett" and put her in his Nursery. Even though he knew Lisa was incapable of having children because she had her tube tied.
After reading the news reports, leads any person to believe that Kevin Montgomery was AIDING AND ABEDDING Lisa with her scheme.
People do strange things for love, they lie, cheat, steal, they COVER UP and even kill.
Kevin Montgomery loved, protected and financillly supported his wife!
Kevin Montgomery knew his wife Lisa M. Montgomery had her TUBES TIED!
If Kevin Montgomery had not of covered up Lisa's pregnancy, BOBBIE JO STINNETT MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE.

If Kevin Montgomery, a Churchgoer, farm owner and a father of 3 children from a previous 16 year marriage, is an INNOCENT, as he says, there should be no problem asking him to take a Lie Detector Test.

Anonymous said...

This is a letter that is being sent to Todd P. Graves and Nodaway County Sheriff, Ben Espey the only two people that can legally ask Kevin Montgomery to take a Lie Detector Test. I urge you to print this letter and sent it to the addressees, TODAY!


1-13-05
Todd P. Graves
United States Attorney for the Western District of Missouri
400 E. 9th St., Room 5510
Kansas City, Mo. 64106
Telephone: 1 (800) 733-6558

Copy to:
Nodaway County Sheriff, Ben Espey
404 N. Vine
Maryville, Mo. 64468
Telephone: (660) 582-7451

Dear Sirs,

In regards to the Bobbie Jo Stinnett / Lisa M. Montgomery case # 04-00210-01-JTM
Research has been done by reading the Kansas City Star, Kansas Capital-Journal, Maryville Daily Forum Online, 13 News Kansas New Leaders Topeka, KS. and the FBI reports at: www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow , Todd P. Graves website.

In conclusion, I believe Kevin Montgomery should be given a Lie Detector Test. If he’s innocent there should be no problem. I am asking you Mr. Graves and you Mr. Espey, to ask, Kevin Montgomery to take a Lie Detector Test.
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Topeka Capital-Journal, 12-23-04 in a article titled, “Past Pregnancy Claims
False”, by Barbara Hollingsworth, reported: Lisa M. Montgomery had her Tubes Tied in 1990.

Lisa Ex-husband name is Carl Boman. Carl Boman’s Attorney, James R. Campbell, 511 Neocho Street - P.O. box 122, Burlingtom, KS. 66839-0122 Telephone: (620) 364-3094, said the following.

Topeka Capital-Journal, 12-23-04 in an article titled, “Past pregnancy claims false”, by Barbara Hollingsworth, reported: Campbell recalls, one of Montgomery’s daughters testifying that she had concerns about her mother “and the pregnancies”.

Kevin knew of Lisa’s tubal ligation because he was told by Lisa’s family. He must have also been aware because of Lisa and her ex-husband Carl Boman’s child custody depute.

Kansas City Star, 1-09-05 in an article titled, “Montgomery’s family saw peril approach” by Karen Dillion and Kevin Murphy email: kmurphy@kcstar.com, reported: Lisa had four children in a little more than three years. After her fourth child in 1990, Lisa got a tubal ligation, rendering her sterile, said Carl Boman and her sisters. Her Mother was at the hospital when the procedure was done.

Kansas City Star, 1-09-05 in an article titled, “Montgomery’s Family Saw Peril Approach”, by Karen Dillion and Kevin Murphy reported. On Dec. 10, Carl Boman filed for custody of the four children he had with Lisa. Boman said in an interview he planned to use Lisa’s phantom pregnancy as a way to show she was mentally unfit to keep the children.

Lisa Montgomery’s, Mother, Judy Shaughnessy and Sister’s Patty and Jerrie said they informed Kevin Montgomery and his parents that Lisa had her TUBES TIED.

Kansas City Star 1-09-05 in a article titled, “Montgomery’s family saw peril approach”, by Karen Dillion and Kevin Murphy reported: In December 2003, Patty went to her sisters home, confronted Kevin Montgomery and told him his wife could not be pregnant because she had a tubal ligation in 1990.
About a week later, Jerri and their mother went to the home of Kevin Montgomery’s parents, Roger and Joy Montgomery. “ My mom told them everything”, Jerri said. She warned that Lisa “was fooling you guys”.
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Topeka Capital-Journal, 12-19-04 in an article titled, “Couple Showed off Newborn”, by Erin Adamson, reported: Mike Wheatly, Pastor of the First Church of God in Melvern where Lisa and her husband Kevin Montgomery attend church. Said, Lisa was a “small, frail woman, and he and others in town doubted she was pregnant and due to deliver in Dec., as she said”.
“I wouldn’t say she looked like she was nine months pregnant, he said. He also said he ask Lisa about her thinness a month ago”.

Kansas City Star, 12-21-04 in a article titled, “Connection formed before murder, kidnaping” by Kevin Murphy, David Klepper and Tanyanika Samuels reported: Pastor Mike Wheatly said that Kevin Montgomery told him that he had recently felt a baby kick inside his wife. Wheatly said he saw Lisa Montgomery in October and commented to her she looked to thin to be eight months pregnant.

In many news reports interviewing people who knew Lisa Montgomery, described her to be, “thin”, “small”, “frail”, “skinny as a rail”, in her pregnancy. Many said “Nobody believed she was pregnant”.

Kevin Montgomery is the father of 3 children from a previous marriage. HE KNOWS WHAT A PREGNANT WOMAN’S BODY LOOKS LIKE! He can’t be that profoundly ignorant! He knew Lisa purchased an entire Baby Nursery for their home, months before December 16, 2004. The day Lisa butchered Bobbie Jo Stinnett and ripped her 8 month old fetus, from her body and left 23 year old Bobbie Jo, on the floor to bleed to death.

Kevin Montgomery, with his past experience in fatherhood. Surely must have been aware there were no medical arrangements. No delivery arrangements, No medical bills, No insurance bills, No medical appointments and No Doctors fees, in Lisa’s claim of pregnancy. The Montgomery’s obviously had sex, if Lisa was continually getting pregnant. Lisa Montgomery had a flat slim stomach the whole year of 2004. Before and after the murder when she brought baby, ”Victoria Jo Stinnett”home to her husband, Kevin.

Kevin Montgomery was not present at the time of birth. Instead, he picked up his newborn baby at a Long John Slivers fast food restaurant parking lot and not at the Hospital like normal people. Did Kevin Montgomery want a baby and he didn’t care where Lisa got it from? He proudly held baby “Victoria Jo Stinnett” and put her in his nursery. He must have known that baby wasn’t his. After all, he was told, Lisa had her tubes tied.

After reading the news reports, leads any person to believe that Kevin Montgomery was AIDING AND ABEDDING Lisa with her scheme.

People do strange things for love, they lie, cheat, steal, they cover up and even kill.

Kevin Montgomery loved, protected and financially supported his wife!
Kevin Montgomery knew his wife Lisa Montgomery had her TUBES TIED!
If Kevin Montgomery had not of covered up Lisa’s pregnancy, BOBBIE JO STINNETT MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE!!
If Kevin Montgomery, a Churchgoer, farm owner and a father of 3 children from a previous 16 year marriage, is as INNOCENT, as he says, there should be no problem, asking him to take a Lie Detector Test.



Sincerely,



References and archives:
Topeka Capital-Journal, archives
www.cjonline.com

Todd P. Graves, United States Attorney for the Western District of Missouri
1 (800) 733-6558
Read the FBI Reports here:
www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow

Kansas City Star
www.kansascity.com/mldkansascitystar

Maryville Daily Forum Online
www.maryvilledailyforum.com

13 News Kansas New Leaders Topeka, KS.
www.wibw.com

Anonymous said...

It is my belief and opinon that Bobbie Jo Stinnett was set up by a 3rd party for money.

Anonymous said...

This work is dedicated to "Victoria Jo Stinnett" may she have a Peaceful, Long and Happy Life. May she know perfect strangers worked very hard for her piece of mind.

Sincerely,
Darlene Jones

Anonymous said...

I wish to Thank Pat for allowing me to express my beliefs and opinions. You aree a gracious lady. Thank You. May you have much success with your web-site.

Sincerely,
Darlene Jones

Anonymous said...

For Pat,

Kansas City Star, 1-09-05 in an article titled, "Montgomery's Family Saw Peril Approach" by Karen Dillion and Kevin Murphy email at: kmurphy@kcstar.com, reported: By 1986, Lisa's mother had married Richard Boman, a former mayor and police chief of Sperry and retired Navy Sailor. Richard Boman's son, Carl Boman, had returned from the Navy and was dating Lisa. Lisa was ready to join the Air Force as a way to pay for college when she learned she was pregnant, her mother said, she and Carl married in August 1986, her dreams of college died.

In my opinion, Carl Boman was 24 and Lisa was 16. He should have been prosecuted for having sex with an under age child.

Anonymous said...

13 News Kansas New Leader Topeka, KS WIBW.COM in an online transcript article "Friends Speak Out" Melvern Residents Speaks About Montgomery. by Kara Fullme, reported:
Schultz (Kevins boss) says Lisa husband, Kevin had ask for time off work friday to be with his wife for their childs delivery. But Schults says he never saw signs that Lisa might be pregnant, and when she showed up with a newborn he was shocked.

(Daryl Schultz is Kevin Montgomery's boss at Acme Sign, Inc. in Kansas. Where Kevin is an electrician.)

Anonymous said...

In a media interview with Carl Boman. Boman said that Lisa wanted him to give her $ 45,000.00 so she could buy a baby. Boman said, he didn't have that kind of money.

(Back Child Support?)

Anonymous said...

Correction: Acme Sign, Inc.'s location.

Online. The Topeka Capital-Journal, 12-21-04 article, "Husband Says He Didn't Know Baby Wasn't His" by Heather Hollings worth reported:
Co-workers confirm Kevin Montgomery worked at Acme Sign, Inc. in Kansas City, Mo., a 70 mile commute each way.

Anonymous said...

Online, Topeka Capital-Journal 12-21-04 article, "Husband Says He Didn't Know Baby Wasn't His" by Heather Hollingsworth reported:

Dog trainer Nancy Strudl and some residents of Melvern told The Kansas City Star for a story Tuesday that Lisa Montgomery had told them she was pregnant.

"She was skinny as a rail, and she never gained an ounce," Strudle said. "None of the rat-terrier people believed she was pregnant. I don't know how anyone believed her."

Anonymous said...

This case is being procecuted by U.S. Attorney, Todd P. Graves. Contact his office:

Todd P. Graves, United States Attorney for the Western District of Missouri
400 E. 9th St., Room 5510
Kansas City, Mo. 64106

Telephone: 1 (800) 733-6558
-OR-
email Todd Graves's, Assistant Don Ledford.

Don Ledford's email: don.ledford@usdoj.gov

Anonymous said...

Topeka Capital-Journal,12-18-04 in an article titled: "Baby found safe, woman charged" Ghastly crime brings authorities to Melvern. From Staff and wire reports, reported: Nodaway County Sheriff, Ben Espey said: Stinnett was alive within an hour of being found at about 3:30 p.m. Thursday. Paramedics tried to revive the young woman, who was pronounced dead later at St. Francis Hospital in Maryville. (Missouri)

Anonymous said...

Did Kevin get time off work to go to Lisa’s side to be with her for their child birth? Or was it like he said, in the FBI Affidavit, below:

FBI Affidavit, Todd P. Graves office. Dated 12-17-04 reported:
c. Kevin Montgomery advised that yesterday December 16, 2004 he arrived home from work at about 5:15 PM. Kevin’s wife had been shopping in Topeka, Kansas, and called to tell him she had gone into labor and delivered a baby.

d. Thereafter, Kevin, and his two children a 9th and 12th grader, drove in Kevins pickup truck and met Lisa Montgomery in the parking lot of a Long John Silver in Topeka, Kansas.

c. The victim had blond hair clenched in her hands; the victim does not have blond hair.

In my opinion in all the pictures I've seen of Lisa. Lisa Montgomery does not have blond hair either. Maybe the FBI should ask for a hair anynaliss to find out who’s blond hair they have.

Kevin knowing there were no medical arrangements. No delivery arrangements, No medical bills, No insurance bills, No medical appointments and No Doctors fees, in Lisa’s claim of pregnancy. When he asked for time off work where was he going? Because, what he did, was go home.

Kevins boss said, “Kevin had ask for time off work Friday to be with his wife for their childs delivery.”

Then why did Kevin go home and then back to Topeka, then back to work to show his boss the baby?

How did he know Lisa was going deliver that day to ask his boss for time off? When Lisa went shopping and not to hospital to deliver a baby.

When he talk to The FBI, December 16, 2004. They reported He told them, “He arrived home from work at about 5:15 PM. Kevin’s wife had been shopping in Topeka, Kansas, and called to tell him she had gone into to labor and delivered a baby.” “There after, Kevin and his two children, a 9th and 12 th grader, drove in Kevins pickup truck and met Lisa Montgomery in the parking lot of a Long John Silver in Topeka, Kansas.

In my opinion, "There after" is a keyword. I take that to mean he recieved Lisa's initial phone call after he got home from work telling him she delivered a baby. So how did he know, to ask his boss for time off from work before that time?

Anonymous said...

1. Kevin Got home at 5:15 PM.
2. Then, Lisa called and said she delivered a baby
3. Then, Kevin and his children drove to pick her up.
4. How did Kevin know, to ask his boss earlier at that day, to time off work to be at the childs birth?

Anonymous said...

13 News Kansas New Leader Topeka, KS WIBW.COM in an online transcript article "Friends Speak Out" Melvern Residents Speaks About Montgomery. by Kara Fullme, reported: (Daryl Schultz is Kevins boss)
Schultz says Lisa's husband, Kevin had ask for time off work friday to be with his wife for their childs delivery. But Schultz says he never saw signs that Lisa might be pregnant, and when she showed up with a newborn he was shocked.

Anonymous said...

UPDATE;

Kansas City Star just emailed me and found the article where Lisa Montgomery ask Carl Boman for $ 45,000.00 to buy a Baby. It's in January 9, issue. More Later.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion this is the chain of events:

1. On 12-16-04 friday, Kevin Montgomery left his work at Acme Sign, Inc. in Kansas City, Missouri to be with his wife for the birth of their childs delivery, he told his boss.

2. But instead Kevin drove 70 miles to Melvern, KS. to his home and waited for Lisa's call.

3. Then Kevin drove to Topeka, KS. to pickup Lisa and the baby in his pickup truck. He took the children to transport Lisa's car back to Melvern, KS to his house.

4. Then Kevin drove back to Kansas City, Missouri to his work Acme Signs, Inc. to show the baby to his boss, Daryl Schultz.

5. Then Kevin and Lisa and the baby, drove back in Kevins pickup truck to Melvern, KS. to their house, on Adams Rd. where they lived.

This clearly shows a plan, between Lisa and Kevin. Kevin knew he was going to get a baby that day. He knew it wasn't going be from a Hospital. He knew he had to wait for Lisa Call to tell him when she was ready to be picked up and have Lisa's car transported back to Melvern by the children.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, Kevin made his excuse to leave work early by saying he was going to be with his wife for their childs delivery.

This comment indicates the baby had not been born yet and that Kevin Montgomery knew he was getting a baby 12-16-05, the day of Bobbie Jo Stinnetts murder.

He went home and waited for Lisa's call. While Lisa was at Bobbie Jo Stinnett home, murdering her.

Kansas City Star, 1-09-05 article titled "Montgomery's Family Saw Peril Approach", by Karen Dillion and Kevin Murphy reported: Last summer, Lisa announced to her family and friends she was pregnant again.
In November, The sisters and their mother learned that Lisa had bought a home birth kit, used by midwives to deliver babies. Jerri (Lisa's sister) feared that her sister would finally do something drastic to get a baby.

Todd P. Graves, United States Attorney for the Western Distric of Missouri,1-12-05, website, www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow In a "News Release", titled, "Kansas Woman Indicted For Kidnapping Resulting In Death", reported: The federal indictment alleges that Montgomery stangled Bobbie Jo Stinnett with a rope and then used a kitchen knife to cut her infant daughter from her womb. At the time of her death, the indictmet says, Bobbie Jo Stinnett was eight months pregnant.

Anonymous said...

There may be a "Pucker" in my Time Line of Events:

That is if Daryl Schultz, Kevin boss lives in Melvern, KS.
Then Kevin and Lisa would have made the 40 mile trip from Topeka to Melvern and had plenty of time to show off the new baby to Daryl Schultz.

I will do further research for this information.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion the following:

12-16-04 The day of Bobbie Jo's murder these are the chain of events:

2:30 PM Bobbie Jo was talking on the phone with her mother and Lisa arrives at Bobbie's house. Bobbie Jo hangs up the phone.

3:00 PM Or thereabout, Lisa leaves Bobbie Jo's house with infant, Victoria Jo Stinnett.

3:30 PM Bobbie Jo's MOTHER finds Bobbie Jo DEAD.

In my opinion, I believe, Lisa Montgomery was at Bobbie Jo's House approx. 20 - 30 minutes. Then Drove to Topeka,KS to meet her husband with the New Infant.

I beleive Kevin Montgomery is untruthful, so they should ask the kids the time when they left Melvern, KS. to meet Lisa. That whole family should take the stand. And remember, "The Apple Doesn't Fall Far From The Tree".

Anonymous said...

FBI Affidavit, 12-17-04, Todd P. Graves Office, reported:

Page 1, item 4e.
Espey also learned from Harper that on December 16, 2004, at approximately 2:30 pm, Harper had called Stinnett to ask her (Stinnett) to pick her up from work. Stinnett told her mother she was expecting someone to come and look at her dogs and then stated, "Oh, they're here, I've got to go."

Page 1, item 4a.
On December 16, 2004, Nodaway county Sheriff's Department recieved a 911 call at 3:38 PM from Becky Harper, the mother of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, stating that her daughter was dead

Page 8, item g.

After being advised of her constitutional rights and having wavied thoes rights, Lisa Montgomery thereafter confessed to having strangled Stinnett and removing the fetus. Lisa Montgomery further admitted the baby she had was Stinnett's baby and that she had lied to her husband about giving birth to a child.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion:

Why did Bobbie Jo, say, "Oh, they're here, I've got to go."

She must have looked out the window and saw who it was in the car, while she was talking on the phone, to her mother.

Why didn't, Bobbie Jo say, "Oh she's here"?

If just one person, Lisa Montgomery, was in the car?


I believe, they should DNA TEST the blond hair, they found clenched in Bobbie Jo's Hands. I would DEMAND it!
I would DEMAND they proove it in Court!

I would demand they further investigate the crime scene for evidence.

In my opinion, I would request a Lie Detector Test for all thoes named who were involved, with the the set-up, of Bobbie Jo Stinnett MURDER!

Anonymous said...

FBI Affidavit, 12-17-04, Todd P. Graves office, reported:

Page 7. & 8. Item f.
Lisa Montgomery said she had been pregnant and delivered her baby on December 16, 2004, at the Woman's Birthing Center in Topeka, Kansas. A subsequent check at the Woman's Birthing Center revealed there were no births at the Center on December 16, 2004.

Anonymous said...

13 News Kansas New Leader Topeka, KS WIBW.COM in an online transcript article "Friends Speak Out" Melvern Residents Speaks About Montgomery, by Kara Fullme, reported: (Daryl Schultz is Kevin's boss).

Schultz says Lisa's husband, Kevin had ask for time off work friday to be with his wife for their childs delivery. But Schults says he never saw signs that Lisa might be pregnant, and when she showed up with a newborn he was shocked.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion:

Was the Woman's Birthing Center in Topeka, Kansas the place Kevin Montgomery was going to go, when he ask for time off from work friday 12-16-04, "to be with his wife for their childs delivery"?

If so, why did he go home? When he left his work. The comment, "to be with his wife for their childs delivery". Indicates that, the child had not been born yet.

Kevin went home and waited for Lisa's call.

What was Kevin's knowledge of Lisa's medical arrangements?

In my opinion, He had full knowledge. That the baby WAS NOT, coming from ANY medical birthing center or any hospital.

Anonymous said...

As Promised:

Kansas City Star, 1-09-05 in an article titled, "Montgomery's family Saw Peril Approach", by Karen Dillion and Kevin Murphy reported:

By 2002 and 2003, Lisa desire for a newborn was becoming uncontrollable, her mother and sisters said. Carl Boman was behind on child support payments, and she told him that if he didn't pay up, he would not be allowed to see the children.

She told him she needed the money because she wanted to buy a baby, said James Campbell, Carl Boman's attorney. Lisa estimated the cost to buy a baby would be about $ 45,000.00 but the Bomans did not have that kind of money, Campbell said.

A custody battle in fall 2003 over Lisa's newborn nephew revealed a fouth phantom pregnancy.

IN THAT SAME ARTICLE IT STATES:

Lisa began negotiating with a pregnant acquaintance to buy her baby once it was born, but the woman eventually refused, Lisa's sister said.

Anonymous said...

IN MY OPINION:

You might ask, how I come to these conclusions?

I ask, how could anyone not come to these conclusions!

Anonymous said...

IN MY OPINION:

I believe Baby Victoria Jo Stinnett, deserves to live a good life. Please Donate any amount. To A Donation Location, Here is one I know about:

Nodaway County Sheriff's Dept.
c/o Stinnett Family
404 N. Vine
Maryville, Mo. 64468

Telephone: (660) 582-7451

Anonymous said...

“Heaven done called another blues singer back home”

To Bobbie Jo Stinnett,


May you know your family loved you very much.

And

Your death was mourned, worldwide.

Anonymous said...

The person who wrote this post is the 3RD party who set-up Bobbie Jo Stinnett for money.

Posted by Anonymous to The Kaitlyn Mae Book at 1/3/2005 08:44:46 AM
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I am neither Carl's kid nor am I one of lisa's siblings. I am very close to the family though and I am so sick of the reporting being twisted and bent out of shape so as to be a lie when the media and other webpages get something. I tremble for the Stinnetts when they finally come out and make a statement. Their lose is too much to bear let alone exposed by a trash hungry media and even more trash hungry public. You say that you aren't the media so your part in putting this on the web is much worse as you pass on second hand gossip and make things worse for the innocent victims in this. Just shut up spouting trash and if you must write then write something good or at least the truth if you must print tragedy. I choose to remain anonymous as I too am a private person. I supect that you too want to make money from this as you seem to be so keen to write the book don't you think that is rather sick? That is what I call dirty money.

Anonymous said...

JMD

Anonymous said...

Just a few comments in defense of myself. When Lisa and I married in1986 she was 18, turned 18 in feb I was 24. She was not a minor, as for her dreams of college that was not so. Those were comments added by the KC Star, she wanted to be a mother and married above anything else, PERIOD. The investigating is pretty impressive and fairly accurate, you guys have really done your home work. I have the blanks filled in and some day will let everyone know, Will have to wait until the trial. The 45,000 was not what I was behind on child support I was only behind by about 600. The 45,000 was what she figured would be what I owed in the next couple of years, she said that way I wouldnt have to pay any more child support, My wife was expecting a small inheritence at the time so she new we would have some money. The inheritence didnt pan out at that time and we were unable to pay. There is more to that story but I will leave it for now. This is real to us, like a bad dream, dont believe everything you read, it has been sensationized, and some times at the expense of the truth. I will reserve my comments and what I know about Kevin for a later time. God Bless you all. Carl Boman

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ARTICLES:
1. "Comments/Responses: Lots more on Lisa Montgomery", 1/13/05
Features:
The official affidavit, (FBI report). Just below Lisa's picture.
Posted letter, to Todd P. Graves, requesting Kevin Montgomery to take a Lie Detector Test.
Posts of Newspaper documentation of the account, a Must Read!
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2. "The Tragic Death of Bobbie Jo Stinnet" 12/21/04
Features:
Some parties who were involved.
Lisa practiced C-sections on her dogs, some fatal.

(FYI (for your info) The Boman's divorced in 1998.)________________________________________________________
3. "Bobbie Jo Stinnett Comments", 12/30/04
Features:
A post by a "Stinnett", Family member.
A picture of Bobbie Jo and Lisa together.
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4. "Sudden Development on the Bobbie Jo Stinnett Murder", 01/02/05
Features:
Carl Boman's post,Lisa's ex-husband.

Anonymous said...

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SUNDAY, JANUARY 16, 2005
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Anonymous said...

THIS IS A LETTER BEING SENT TO TODD P. GRAVES ASSISTANT, DON LEDFORD. I URGE YOU TO COPY AND PASTE AND SEND THIS LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THIS ISSUE! THANK YOU.

E-MAIL: don.ledford@usdoj.gov



Don Ledford, Assistant to Todd P. Graves 1-16-05
United States Attorney for the Western District of Missouri
400 E. 9th St., Room 5510
Kansas City, Mo. 64106

Telephone: 1 (800) 733-6558
email: don.ledford@usdoj.gov

Dear Mr. Ledford,

I would like your office to further investigate, Kevin Montgomery. The news report supporting this issue is enclosed.

Did Kevin Montgomery ask his boss, Daryl Schultz for time off work 12-16-04 to go to be at Lisa's side, "to be with his wife for his childs delivery?

If so, why did Kevin go home. Then, waited for Lisa's call. Why didn't he go to the hospital from work and witness the delivery of the baby?

He ask his boss, if he could leave early on 12-16-04 to be at their childs birth for the delivery. He must have known, where and when, Lisa was going to give birth.

Was the Topeka Birthing Center in Topeka, KS., the hospital where Kevin was going to go to witness the birth of his child?

Why did he tell the FBI, his wife had been shopping? Then he told them, after he got home around 5:15 PM. Lisa called to tell him, she delivered a baby and to come pick her and the child up, in Topeka, KS.

Kevin works in Kansas City, Mo., if he wanted to witness the delivery of the baby. Why didn't he drive straight to the hospital in Topeka, KS? Where the baby was going to be delivered.

Instead he went home and waited for Lisa's call.

I would appreciate if you look into this matter. You will find documents supporting this issue enclosed. Of course, you already have the FBI report. I will enclose an excerpt and an original copy of the news report from, 13 News Kansas New Leader Topeka, KS WIBW.COM



Sincerely,

Darlene Jones



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13 News Kansas New Leader Topeka, KS WIBW.COM in an online transcript article "Friends Speak Out" Melvern Residents Speaks About Montgomery. by Kara Fullme, reported:

Schultz (Kevin's boss) says Lisa's husband, Kevin had ask for time off work friday to be with his wife for their childs delivery. But Schultz says he never saw signs that Lisa might be pregnant, and when she showed up with a newborn he was shocked.

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FBI Affidavit, Todd P. Graves office. Dated 12-17-04 reported:

Page 7. item e.
Kevin Montgomery advised that yesterday December 16, 2004 he arrived home from work at about 5:15 PM. Kevin’s wife had been shopping in Topeka, Kansas, and called to tell him she had gone into labor and delivered a baby.

Page 7. item d.
Thereafter, Kevin, and his two children a 9th and 12th grader, drove in Kevins pickup truck and met Lisa Montgomery in the parking lot of a Long John Silver in Topeka, Kansas.


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FBI Affidavit, 12-17-04, Todd P. Graves office, reported:

Page 7. & 8. Item f.

Lisa Montgomery said she had been pregnant and delivered her baby on December 16, 2004, at the Woman's Birthing Center in Topeka, Kansas. A subsequent check at the Woman's Birthing Center revealed there were no births at the Center on December 16, 2004.
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This is a copy of the article where Kevin's Boss made his statement.

COPY OF ARTICLE: by 13 News Leader Topeka, KS WIBW.COM


Friends speak out
Melvern Residents Speak About Montgomery
Kara Fullmer

36-year old Lisa Montgomery accused of strangling a pregnant woman and then cutting her premature baby away faces charges of a kidnapping resulting in death. She's being charged with the death of 23-year old Bobbie Jo Stinnett and the kidnapping of Stinnett's 1-month premature baby, Victoria Jo.

To those who live in Melvern, Kansas, where Lisa and her family have lived for the past 4 and a half years, the possibility of her committing such a horrendous act seemed unreal.

"They were good hard-working people," says Kevin Montgomery's boss Daryl Schultz. But Schultz admits, looks can be deceiving.

Schults says Lisa's husband, Kevin had asked for time off work Friday to be his wife for their child's delivery. But Schultz says he never saw signs that Lisa might be pregnant, and when she showed up Friday with a newborn he was shocked.

"I asked her, where did this come from? She didn't look like she was that close to delivery," says Schultz.

At court Monday husband Kevin Montgomery came in support of his wife, thanking the Melvern community for standing behind him, and expressing his remorse for the Stinnett family.

"My heart goes out not only to Lisa and her children but to them too. That is a precious baby. I know," says Montgomery.

Montgomery's pastor along with Schultz appeared on a Larry King Live interview Monday night expressing their support for not only the Montgomerys but the Stinnetts as well.

"We're throwing our arms around the Montgomery family, they've been going to our church for years," says pastor Mike Wheatly, "And we're also throwing our support around the Stinnetts, even though they are far away."

The Melvern community started a fund at the following Lyndon State Bank branches to help the family of Bobbie Jo Stinnett:

Memorial Funds:
Lyndon State Bank
Melvern and Lyndon

Accounts have also been set up in Matiland and St. Joseph, Missouri.
UMB Bank
P.O. Box 207
Matiland, MO 64466

801 N. 36th
St. Joseph, MO 64506

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

To Zeb Stinnett,

Zeb, I did everything I could do for your Bobbie, I hope this helps heal your heart, just a little.

Sincerely,

Darlene Jones

Anonymous said...

Monday, January 17, 2005

Anonymous said...

JUSTICE FOR BOBBIE JO STINNETT NOW!

Anonymous said...

To Mrs. Harper,

My Sincere condolences to you.

Your efforts to revive your daughter for 20 minutes were heroic. Then the Sheriff’s took over, then the paramedic.

I just want to hug you for the rest of your life but since I can’t. I’ll leave that up to Victoria Jo.

Anonymous said...

1/18/05

Victoria Jo,

May you grow up to be a strong young woman someday. May you know none of this was any of your fault. Evil people exits in the world and it’s your job to protect yourself from them and surround yourself with good friends and may you know the Whole World cried for your Mommy.

Anonymous said...

"Heaven done called another blues stringer back home''
-- "Six Strings Down"


Guitarist Jimmie Vaughan, lead an all-star tribute to his late brother Stevie Ray Vaughan. The line-up included: Doctor John, Robert Cray, B.B. King, Buddy Guy, Eric Clapton and Bonnie Raitt.

Anonymous said...

and Art Neville and Jimmy Vaughan.

Anonymous said...

I believe, as a woman of the Human Race. It’s been 1 month, 2 days since the Murder happened. If authorities haven’t done anything about this on their own, it doesn’t leave much hope for the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

After this article I will post a purchase transcript from The Larry King Live Show, "Analysis of Murder of Bobbie Jo Stinnett". Featuring: Reverend Mike Wheatly, Darrel Schultze and Todd P. Graves. (please be patient)


Posted on Sun, Jan. 09, 2005



Getty Images (Getty Images)
Getty Images (Getty Images) KANSAS CITY, KS - In this handout photo provided by the Wyandotte County Sheriff's Department, Lisa Montgomery appears in a booking photo released December 20, 2004 in Kansas City, Kansas. Montgomery, of Melvern, Kansas, is accused of murdering the pregnant Bobbie Jo Stinnett, cutting the fetus from her body, and claiming the live baby as her own. (Photo by Wyandotte County Sheriff's Department via Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Lisa Montogomery






MOTHER AND SISTERS DESCRIBE TROUBLED LIFE OF MURDER SUSPECT


Montgomery's family saw peril approach

By KAREN DILLON and KEVIN MURPHY The Kansas City Star


The congratulations caught Judy Shaughnessy by surprise: She was a grandmother again.

Her daughter, Lisa Montgomery, had left the courthouse in Lyndon, Kan., a few minutes earlier after proudly showing off a day-old infant, an acquaintance told Judy.

Judy knew better.

“I just said, ‘Yeah, right, she either stole it or bought it,' ” Judy recalled Tuesday.

Lisa had been incapable of having children since a 1990 operation, but she fooled her husband, his parents and the whole community, Judy said.

“I tried to tell them and tell them, but nobody listened,” she recalled.

Even as Judy was hearing about the newborn, the FBI was waiting for Lisa to arrive at home in Melvern, Kan., to arrest her on a charge of killing a Missouri woman and cutting her 8-month fetus from the womb.

Montgomery's two sisters, Patty Hedberg and Jerri Kleiner, said they also tried to warn the family about her history of five faked pregnancies.

“Nobody believed us; nobody wanted to believe us,” Patty said.

In their first media interviews, Lisa's sisters and mother talked about the woman who authorities say wanted a baby so badly she killed to get one. They described her as a smart loner who even as a child spun a lot of tales that often angered her family.

The family had much to overcome, including poverty and alcohol. But Lisa had an additional hurdle: As a teenager, she was sexually abused, her mother said.

Twenty years later, Lisa Montgomery, 36, stands accused of a crime that has received worldwide notoriety.

The FBI said in an affidavit that she traveled to the home of Bobbie Jo Stinnett in Skidmore, Mo., on Dec. 16, strangled her and kidnapped her baby. After confessing, she was charged with kidnapping resulting in death and faces life in prison or the death penalty. Lisa has not entered a plea to the charge.

“There is a difference between evil and insane, and I think she's evil,” said Jerri, who believed her sister had become “dangerous” in her quest to have a newborn.

There has been recent acrimony between Lisa and her mother and Patty. Last year, Lisa sought a restraining order to keep them from seeing her children but later dropped that effort. They contend she filed the order to stop them from telling people she was faking pregnancies.

Patty and Jerri, who are half sisters, agreed to exclusive interviews with The Kansas City Star if only their maiden names were used, because they want to respect the privacy of their children.

One of Lisa's public defenders, David Owen, said Friday that he had no comment on her background or the charges and that she would be unavailable for an interview.

Stinnett's mother, Becky Harper, tearfully said Friday that she wished someone would have listened to warnings about Lisa.

“Let's just don't let her get off with being insane, OK, because the woman is not,” said Harper, who discovered her daughter's body.

Lisa's husband, Kevin Montgomery, declined to be interviewed about whether he had been told about her fake pregnancies. Last month, he told The Star that he was convinced that she was pregnant and had delivered their baby.

“I held that baby proudly,” he said.

Lisa doesn't have many defenders, but the pastor of the church the Montgomerys attended in Melvern said she obviously was burdened with a troubled background and personality.

“I know enough to know I do sympathize with her to some degree,” said the Rev. Mike Wheatly of the First Church of God.

A different child

She was born Lisa Marie Hedberg in Washington state. Soon after, she and her mother moved to Topeka, where her sister Patty was born. Lisa and Patty were toddlers when their parents split up, and they have had no contact with their father, Patty said.

But some of the first stories Lisa would make up were about her father, that he died in Vietnam or that something else befell him, Patty said.

From the beginning, Lisa was different, Patty said. She never did the things many girls do, such as playing with dolls, but she was obsessed with learning.

“I always said the house could burn down, and she wouldn't even smell the smoke, she was so engrossed in books,” her mother said.

By the time Lisa was 6 her mother had married Jack Kleiner, who had five children of his own, and the family was living in Oklahoma. Her mother had three children with Kleiner.

Beginning in grade school, Lisa played the violin and then the French horn. In high school she played the mellophone in the marching band.

She made first chair with ease and was “very intellectual,” her sisters said.

“Everything Lisa did she was good at,” Patty said. “She didn't have to try.”

Life turns sour

Lisa's life might have been very different.

In the spring of 1984, her grades were good, and she had plans for college. The 16-year-old sophomore had been accepted at a summer college preparatory program at Rogers State University in Claremore, Okla.

But her life was about to unravel, according to family members.

Kleiner was sexually abusing Lisa, her mother said in court records when she filed for divorce that summer.

She and the children left Kleiner, and she took Lisa to counseling. But Lisa denied she'd had sex with her stepfather, the sisters said.

In a telephone interview from his home in Manhattan, Kan., Jack Kleiner said that the story had been concocted to support his wife's divorce case and that he was never found guilty of anything.

“I never molested her in any way, shape or form,” Kleiner said, and he denied ever being an alcoholic, as Judy contended in the divorce.

Kleiner said he was not to blame for problems Lisa had in her life. “She screwed up her life after she left me, not while I was there, I guarantee.”

Kleiner said he provided the family a good life, although after the divorce he would be sentenced to jail at least twice for failing to pay child support, according to court records.

The family tried to cling to shreds of normalcy even as it went on welfare. That tumultuous summer of 1984 also had a tranquil side — picnics, trips to the lake, to a wedding, to go fishing, to get ice cream.

At Sperry High School, Lisa was in band, a class play, the pep club and student council. The family moved to nearby Cleveland, Okla., where she graduated in 1986 with mostly A's and B's, a school official said.

By 1986, Lisa's mother had married Richard Boman, a former mayor and police chief of Sperry and retired Navy sailor. Richard Boman's son, Carl Boman, had returned from the Navy and was dating Lisa.

Lisa was ready to join the Air Force as a way to pay for college when she learned she was pregnant, her mother said. She and Carl married in August 1986, and her dreams of college died.

Her first marriage

As an adult, Lisa fabricated five pregnancies and other yarns about her children, about boyfriends and about sleeping with people, causing continuing rifts in her extended family, her relatives said.

“She made up stories to upset people and to get crap stirred up so there was controversy,” Patty said. “She was always seeking attention.” Her mother said Lisa became more cunning and manipulative after she started having children.

Lisa had four children in a little more than three years. After her fourth child in 1990, Lisa got a tubal ligation, rendering her sterile, said Carl Boman and her sisters. Her mother was at the hospital when the procedure was done.

Carl Boman worked many hours to make ends meet, and his wife stayed home to take care of the children and the house.

But the house was filthy and roach-infested, her sisters said.

One time, her mother said, she visited the house while Lisa was making lunch for the children. She pulled a dish of scalloped potatoes from the oven, stuck in a fork, plunked it on the floor and said, “Here, kids, here's your lunch,” her mother recalled.

Often Lisa could be found lying on the couch reading. She favored fiction, such as Stephen King novels, Carl Boman said.

Carl could not make Lisa happy, his father said.

“They fought all the time,” Richard Boman said.

Lisa also was having affairs, Carl Boman said. Sometimes she would leave the family for days or weeks, and she once showed up at her husband's family reunion with another man, her mother said.

Carl Boman filed for divorce in October 1993 and moved to a new job in Springdale, Ark. But Lisa followed him, and eight months later they remarried in the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which they had attended as part of an effort to rebuild their relationship.

In Arkansas, she told her family she was pregnant with twins, but it was untrue, her sisters said.

The couple and their four children moved to Deming, N.M., where Richard Boman had bought a double-wide trailer, said Bill Boomhower. Boomhower owned a restaurant and gave Carl Boman a job.

Lisa had difficulty keeping the children clean, Judy and Boomhower said. At their elementary school, the teachers would wash the children's hair, bathe them and put clean clothes on them, Boomhower said.

Richard Boman said Lisa and her mother shared an affection for rural life.

“They both liked animals, especially goats and dogs and chickens,” Boman said.

But Boomhower said Lisa clearly seemed unhappy with her life.

“You look back and it's not really a bad, bad family,” Boomhower said. “There were a lot of underlying things going on that nobody knew about.”

Divorce, remarriage

In 1998 the marriage ended for good. Carl Boman went to Bartlesville, Okla., and Lisa returned to Kansas with her mother. Judy and Richard Boman had divorced.

After meeting Kevin Montgomery in 1999, Lisa fabricated two pregnancies, relatives said.

First, she told Montgomery she was pregnant, and he gave her $200 or $300 for an abortion, her sisters said.

Her sisters also said that Lisa told Montgomery she had gotten pregnant as a teenager. She claimed she initially had been told the baby died during delivery. But later she learned that the baby was put up for adoption, and she had found the adoptive parents. Her daughter's name was Sarah.

“It was all made up,” Patty said.

In March 2000, Lisa married Montgomery, who had three children from a previous marriage.

Over the past six years, Lisa worked as a ticket agent at Greyhound Bus Lines in Topeka; at a Wendy's restaurant in Lebo, Kan.; at a Casey's store in Lyndon, Kan.; and in security in Pauline, Kan., all small towns south of Topeka.

Meanwhile, Lisa became involved in the Melvern community.

She was involved in 4-H and Little League with the children. She sewed pioneer-style clothing for her daughters and nieces and took them to an annual apple festival. She made goat cheese. She attended school plays.

Baby obsession

By 2002 and 2003, Lisa's desire for a newborn was becoming uncontrollable, her mother and sisters said.

Carl Boman was behind on child support payments, and she told him that if he didn't pay up, he would not be allowed to see the children.

She told him she needed the money because she wanted to buy a baby, said James Campbell, Carl Boman's attorney. Lisa estimated the cost to buy a baby would be about $45,000.

But the Bomans did not have that kind of money, Campbell said.

A custody battle in fall 2003 over Lisa's newborn nephew revealed a fourth phantom pregnancy.

The state had taken custody of her brother Teddy Kleiner's newborn son after he was jailed on drug charges.

Lisa's mother was trying to get custody of the boy, who had been placed with foster parents, but Lisa wanted the child, too, her sisters said. At the hearings, Lisa testified she was pregnant, several people said.

But later, she testified she had miscarried and donated the fetus to science, according to family members who attended the hearing.

In December 2003, Patty went to her sister's home, confronted Kevin Montgomery and told him his wife could not be pregnant because she had had a tubal ligation in 1990. Lisa told her to leave and never come back, Patty said.

About a week later, Jerri and their mother went to the home of Kevin Montgomery's parents, Roger and Joy Montgomery.

“My mom told them everything,” Jerri said. She warned that Lisa “was fooling you guys.”

They also strongly urged Lisa to tell her husband the truth, they said.

“You cannot keep lying to the man; he doesn't deserve it,” Judy recalled telling Lisa. “She ignored everything I said.”

While Roger Montgomery said he was advised by his lawyer not to comment on whether he and his wife had been warned about Lisa, he voiced doubt about the credibility of Lisa's sisters and mother. His lawyer did not return calls.

To stop her family from spreading the accusations, Lisa sought restraining orders against her mother and Patty, Judy and Patty said. Those orders were later dismissed by a judge at Lisa's request, according to court records.

Judy said she spoke to some attorneys about having Lisa committed to a psychiatric institution but was told that would be unlikely unless Lisa harmed herself or someone else.

Lisa began negotiating with a pregnant acquaintance to buy her baby once it was born, but the woman eventually refused, Lisa's sisters said.

Pressure mounts

Last summer, Lisa announced to her family and friends she was pregnant again.

In November, the sisters and their mother learned that Lisa had bought a home birth kit, used by midwives to deliver babies.

Jerri feared that her sister would finally do something drastic to get a baby.

On Dec. 10, Carl Boman filed for custody of the four children he had with Lisa. Boman said in an interview he had planned to use Lisa's phantom pregnancy as a way to show she was mentally unfit to keep the children.

While it is unclear whether that was the last straw for Lisa, her mother said her daughter was determined to prove her truthfulness.

“All her lies were catching up with her,” Judy said. “I think the desperation got to her.”

On Dec. 17 about 4 p.m., after returning home, Judy got a call from a niece in Texas who asked if it was true that Lisa had a baby. The mother said yes. The niece then asked if the baby was a girl. Yes.

Then the niece told her about an Amber Alert involving the stolen baby from Skidmore.

Judy called Jerri and asked her to check out the kidnapping and homicide story on the Internet. As Jerri read over the news stories, the horrible thought that it might be Lisa washed over her.

She turned on the TV and saw that Lisa had just been arrested.

The family gathered to watch the news.

“We just sat here shocked and astonished,” Patty said.

While Lisa's family believes she was sane when she allegedly stole the baby, Judy said she feels for her daughter.

“I love her with all my heart,” Judy said. But, she added, “Justice has to be served. I have to leave it up to God.”

To reach Karen Dillon,

call (816) 234-4430 or send e-mail to kdillon@kcstar.com.

To reach Kevin Murphy,

call (816) 234-4464 or send e-mail to kmurphy@kcstar.com.


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First glance

• The mother and sisters of Lisa Montgomery said they tried to tell people that Lisa was fabricating pregnancies, but no one listened.

• They also say Lisa was a smart loner who as a child often spun tales that angered her family.

Anonymous said...

This is a statement was made on the Larry King Live Show, "Analysis of Murder of Bobbie Jo Stinnett", aired 12/20/04. Here are the statements made by Todd P. Graves, United States Attorney for the Western District of Missouri. The entire transcript will follow.

KING: Is it your decision whether to ask for the death Penalty?

GRAVES: No, that's not my decision alone. That's something -- we have elaborate procedures. It's not something that's taken lightlney (ph) -- lightly. And in the Department of Justice, that is something that we will be. There's a deliberative process and that descision will be made. But we have a history of cases like this in this area. And it's not anything really --the case cetainly is unusual. But the nature of the charge isn't really anything out of the ordinary for us.

Graves also said in the same transcript the following:

KING: The average person would say, don't you think, Todd, this person's got to be a little nuts? So, how do you deal with that as a prosecutor -- mean, obviously, this can't be a normal act.

GRAVES: I'm not sure that any act of violence that results in a death would be considered a normal act.

Anonymous said...

As Promised:

This is a purchased copy of the Transcript. A copy of the video or transcript can be purchased at 1 (800) CNN - NEWS, FOR $ 9.95 OR SEEN AT LARRY KINGS WEB SITE.


CNN LARRY KING LIVE
December 20, 2004
Analysis of Murder of Bobbie Jo Stinnett

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, the horrifying case of a Kansas woman
accused of killing an expectant mom named Bobbie Jo Stinnett and
kidnapping her unborn baby. Joining us from Topeka, a friend of the
accused, Lisa Montgomery, and her husband, Darrel Schultze who saw the
Montgomerys with the stolen baby Lisa claimed was her also. Also in
Topeka the pastor of the Montgomerys' church, the Reverend Mike
Wheatly. From Maryville, Missouri, near Bobbie Jo's hometown, the
lawman who helped crack the shocking case, Nodaway County Sheriff Ben
Espey. In Kansas City, FBI special agent Jeff Lanza and the man who
will be prosecuting the case, U.S. attorney Todd Graves. All that and
more next, on LARRY KING LIVE.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

KING: Let's start with Jim Flink in Kansas City, Missouri of
KMBC TV. He's reporting on this story from the start. Give us the
gist of it, Jim.

JIM FLINK, KMBC-TV CORRESPONDENT: Larry, the gist of it is this
-- a woman by the name of Lisa Montgomery meets up with a woman by the
name of Bobbie Jo Stinnett. They have apparently had an online
conversation for a year where they are both members of a rat terrier
breeders club. They have this online conversation. Unbeknownst to
Bobbie Jo Stinnett, they've talked about their pregnancy, they were
both pregnant, they've talked about their pregnancy online. The day
before the murder, a woman gets online and introduces herself as
Darlene Fisher. She says she wants to buy a dog from Bobbie Jo
Stinnett in Skidmore, Missouri. They set up a meeting online. That
person, Darlene Fisher, ends up being Lisa Montgomery. Lisa
Montgomery is accused of showing up at Bobbie Jo Stinnett's place,
murdering her, ripping the baby from the womb, driving two hours back
to Kansas, calling her husband on the telephone and saying she has
given birth to the child that he was expecting her to have. Then he
comes and picks her up. The next day, everything starts to blow up.
We find out Bobbie Jo Stinnett has been murdered in Skidmore,
Missouri, two hours away. Lisa Montgomery has been charged in the
case. It is shocking for two very small towns.

KING: Now clear up something. Was Lisa Montgomery pregnant?

FLINK: Lisa Montgomery was, according to authorities, pregnant.
Apparently had lost that pregnancy somewhere around the sixth month of
the term but apparently had not told anybody. Even her husband was
unaware she was no longer pregnant.
KING: Lisa was the one on the Internet with the victim for the
year but used a different name when she came to the house?

FLINK: Correct. Lisa was a rat terrier breeder as was Bobbie
Jo. They knew each other. They had even attended dog shows together,
according to some witnesses who are now coming forward. At first we
thought these were two strangers who had somehow met over the
Internet. We come to find out now that they knew one another. Then
in order to set this up, allegedly, Lisa Montgomery creates this fake
identity, this Darlene Fisher. Fisher for kids.com to arrange this
meeting. She asked for directions to Bobbie Jo Stinnett's home in
Skidmore. Shows up last Thursday. That is where the crime allegedly
takes place.

KING: Sheriff Espey, how were you able to arrest or find the
accused so quickly?

SHERIFF BEN ESPEY, HELPED TRACK DOWN ACCUSED WOMAN: Well, I
organized a team of people that are specialized in this with area law
enforcement agencies involved in it. They worked 24 hours around the
clock. They didn't quit and go home. They stayed after this case
until we had information that the baby was still alive and they had
babies in our hands.

KING: The killing occurred in your jurisdiction. Then she moved
it to Kansas, right?

ESPEY: That's correct.

KING: OK, so how -- did she come back to Missouri?

ESPEY: Not to my understanding. Once she left Missouri,
Skidmore, she stayed in Kansas.

KING: Is that where she is now?

ESPEY: She's with the Kansas authorities right now.

KING: Is Missouri going to try to bring her back to Missouri?

ESPEY: That's my understanding. That's what will need to happen
in this case.

KING: Sheriff, what do you make of this?

ESPEY: It's pretty tragic. It's really tragic for the family to
lose a 23-year-old mother. It's just really tragic. The only light
spot in this is the fact that the baby was found alive.

KING: Darrel Schultze and Reverend Mike Wheatly are in Topeka,
Kansas. Darrel is a friend of the family of Lisa Montgomery, the
woman accused. He saw Lisa and her husband with the newborn on
Friday. Reverend Mike Wheatly is pastor of the First Church of God
which is attended by the Montgomery family. Darrel, when you saw Lisa
with the baby, what did you think?
DARREL SCHULTZE, FAMILY FRIEND OF WOMAN ACCUSED: My first
reaction to her was, what's this? Where did it come from? I had seen
her the Friday night before at the high school gym at a ball game. It
was parent night, senior night. And she was up there and I asked her,
where did this come from? I had no idea that she was this close to
delivery. And I was astonished that they had a baby.

KING: Reverend, what do you make of it? Do you know her a long
time, Darrel?

SCHULTZE: No, I haven't known her a long time, no. Just a few
community connections and what have you. I've known Kevin for several
years. They've been together there in Melvern over four years. I've
known her those four years.

KING: Did you know her in the early stages of her pregnancy?

SCHULTZE: Yes. But we heard about her miscarriage a year ago.
You can't keep up with your time line, you forget how long ago it was.
We prayed for her when she had her miscarriage there in the church.
Then we heard at a later time, maybe a month or two, that she was
pregnant again is how we heard it. And expecting. And you sort of
lose your time line. And when she was supposed to have it. And
that's why -- of course, seeing her last -- a week ago Friday at the
ball game and then seeing her a week later that she had a baby, why,
we were just sort of shocked.

KING: Reverend Wheatly, this family prays at your church. What
do you make of this story?

REV. MIKE WHEATLY, FAMILY PASTOR OF WOMAN ACCUSED: Well, after I
saw the baby, I was shocked like most of the community. But I -- I'm
stunned just like the rest of the community is. We're pulling
together, though, to come together and surround the Montgomery family
with love. Because they all go to our church. They've gone there for
years. And we're praying and willing to wrap our loving arms around
the Stinnett family as well, even if we have to do it from long
distance.

KING: The Montgomery family consists of her, her husband, and
who else?

WHEATLY: Her husband's parents, and then they have seven kids
between the two of them from earlier marriages. Kevin and Lisa do.

KING: Have you spoken, Reverend, with anyone connected with the
family since?

WHEATLY: I've been the spokesperson for the family for the last
three and a half days. Yes, I speak to them all.

KING: How are they taking this?

WHEATLY: Well, as you might expect, Kevin -- they were at our
house the Friday morning with the baby. My wife and I held the little
baby. At the time, we thought her name was Abigail. It's since been
changed to Victoria Jo by the rightful relatives. But when she was
there on Friday morning, she was a beautiful baby. And Kevin was
absolutely grinning from ear to ear. He wasn't going to come out of
the clouds for a very long time. His smile wasn't leaving his face
for a month. He was a very proud papa and Lisa was a very tired, what
you would expect to be tired mother who just had delivered.

KING: When they came to arrest her, were you nearby, close by
when she was taken into custody?

WHEATLY: The day they were arrested, I wasn't aware of anything.
Even when they were there that morning. I was not aware of any of
this. As far as I knew, everything was just perfectly normal. The
only question we had in our mind at that time was why she would have a
brand new newborn baby out, showing it off that day. But it was -- it
wasn't until about ten minutes before the evening news that evening
that I knew anything about it. In fact, it was Darrel that called me
and give me a heads-up about it, and asked me if I was in the middle
of it all.

KING: We'll continue with our panel. Your phone calls later.
Other guests joining us. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 36-year-old Montgomery was arrested
Friday and allegedly confessed to the crime. Neighbors in Melvern,
Kansas say Montgomery and her husband were showing off the baby as
their own. After surviving the tragic ordeal, the infant has been
united with her real father. Zeb Stinnett has named his daughter
Victoria Jo in memory of her mother. And says she's truly a little
miracle.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Darrel, when she said it was her baby and you only knew
her at six months, wasn't that strange to you?

SCHULTZE: Yes. Like I said, I didn't follow the time line that
close. I just know I'd seen her a week before and she didn't look
pregnant, and here we had a baby. Knowing the family and knowing --
not knowing -- I wasn't aware of the Amber Alert or anything. But
knowing the family, I had no reason to doubt them. That's why it was
such a shock to the community. We feel so bad that this happened.
And knowing the family as we do, it just -- it's just hard to
understand for us.

KING: Sheriff Espey, have you met any of the people involved?
Either victims or assailants?

ESPEY: I've met all the victims, Larry.

KING: You have met all the victims.

ESPEY: Yes, Larry, I have.
KING: OK. And how are they dealing with this, Sheriff?

ESPEY: It's just been extra difficult due to the circumstances
of it. It's just really hard for them.

KING: Do you know the family?

ESPEY: Yes, I do. I know several of them personally.

KING: Jim Flink, have you met any of the family members? Have
you tried to contact them for reports?

FLINK: Larry, we did try to contact Zeb Stinnett, which is the
father of Victoria Jo. We contacted him, or tried to, about the time
that the story had broken that the baby had survived. He has gone to
Topeka. So we had talked to some other relatives about how they were
doing.

Larry, you have to realize, this is the third member of this
family to be murdered in the last four years. Two cousins were
murdered. One in 2000, Wendy Gillenwater (ph) was stomped to death by
her boyfriend. Then Branson Perry (ph) disappeared two years ago.

This is a town of 300 people, and three members of this family
have been brutally murdered in the last four years. So a lot of
people, they're used to having media members come around, for all the
wrong reasons. And it was a very, very difficult situation. Not just
for the town members, the residents, but also for journalists who were
there, and there were a lot of us there.

KING: What can you tell us, Reverend Wheatly, about Lisa
Montgomery?

WHEATLY: I can tell you that she was a person who pretty much
was -- a person that would like to talk about herself a lot and her
children. She -- if you wanted to talk about Lisa, she was mighty
happy. But she was also a person who cared a lot about her children.
And my wife and I decided she could have qualified as a pioneer woman,
because she was quite capable of not having all the amenities that we
have today and still surviving and teaching her kids how to do that.
She was just a homebody. She went to work, she went home, took care
of her kids. She was kind of quiet most of the time.

KING: So Reverend, in the continuing saga of the humankind that
boggles us, how do you explain this to yourself?

WHEATLY: You know, I try to -- I stand at the pulpit and I try
to explain things to people every Sunday. And it's difficult, very
difficult for -- for me to explain it to myself. I looked at that
little special baby in my arms and had no idea any of this was
happening at the time. And she's had an effect on all of our lives.
Any of us that have touched her, she's had an effect on us. And we're
very sad for the family that lost this little girl's mother. That was
taken from her. And we're very sad for the Montgomery family, because
they too have lost someone they cared about, especially her children.

KING: Is the town going to do anything, Darrel, for the
Stinnetts?

SCHULTZE: Yes. We've met in town, several of us. And we've
opened an account at the Linner (ph) State Bank, the branch bank there
in Melvern. And we want to do -- this is what now we feel like we can
do, and we have an account there at the bank open for them. So we're
raising money. And I think Melvern's a very generous, loving town.
And I think that people will come through.

KING: How is Mr. Montgomery handling it, Reverend?

WHEATLY: Kevin is handling it very, very difficult. He can
hardly get a word out. He did finally speak to the press today. But
it was very brief because he was very emotional, when they had the
first court appearance today. For the most part, I've been doing it
for him. And it's been very difficult for him. He's had a tough
time.

KING: How old, Reverend, are the other Montgomery children?

WHEATLY: They're all teenagers. They're all either in upper
junior high or high school. So they're all teenage kids.

KING: How are they dealing with it?

WHEATLY: They're, as you can imagine, especially Lisa's kids,
are having a very tough time with it. They're being uprooted and
they're -- and they miss their mother, and they want their family back
together again. So they are very disturbed by it.

KING: Jeff Flink, where is Lisa right now?

FLINK: Lisa is in federal custody in the state of Kansas at this
hour. And she'll have another court appearance, Larry, on Thursday.
Obviously there's going to be some sort of transfer here between --
because we've gone over state lines, from western Missouri into
central Kansas, eastern central Kansas. And so at some point, she
will be returned to the Western District of Missouri, where U.S.
Attorney Todd Graves will be prosecuting the case. But right now
she's in Kansas custody.

KING: We'll take a break. When we come back, Jeff Lanza, a FBI
special agent, will join us. So will Dr. Lucy Puryear. Later, we'll
have a short interview with Todd Graves. He won't appear with the
others because he's got to prosecute this case. We'll also be
including your phone calls. We'll be right back.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KEVIN MONTGOMERY, SUSPECT'S HUSBAND: My heart ain't broke just
for me and Lisa and her kids. It's them too. That was a precious
baby. I know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: Our panel remains. Joining us now in Kansas City,
Missouri, is Jeff Lanza, FBI special agent. And in Houston, Texas is
Dr. Lucy Puryear. She is a psychiatrist and former director of the
Psychiatric Clinic at Baylor College of Medicine. She testified for
the defense in the famous Andrea Yates case, the woman convicted of
capital murder in the drowning deaths of her children.

Now, Jeff Lanza, where does this stand? Is this an FBI matter?

JEFF LANZA, FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Yes, it is, Larry. And I'd first
like to take the opportunity to express our condolences to the family
of Bobbie Jo and all the others affected by this tragic crime. It is
an FBI case, because once a kidnap victim is taken across state lines,
it does become the possibility of a federal jurisdiction takes hold.
And that's what happened in this particular case.

KING: The kidnap victim is the baby?

LANZA: The kidnap victim is the baby, that's correct, Larry.
And the young girl was taken across, from Missouri into Kansas. And
once that occurs, we have the possibility of federal jurisdiction,
federal prosecution. And of course, it doesn't mean we wouldn't get
involved anyway. We'll always be involved in a case when a child is
missing. But when a child is taken across state lines, then you have
the additional avenue of prosecution at the federal level.

KING: We'll ask Todd Graves, but will there be a jurisdictional
fight here? Does Kansas want to try her, Missouri want to try her and
the feds?

LANZA: Yes, actually, the crime took place in the state of
Missouri. And I think -- Todd Graves will probably address this
point. But I think the prosecutors will get together and decide who's
going to prosecute the case. And I think he can address that issue.

I must say, Larry, this is a very interesting case, because when
the baby was taken into Kansas and brought to that home, you have to
understand, when this crime took place, no one -- we didn't have much
to go on. The sheriff's department, the Missouri Highway Patrol, the
FBI. They had a possible person with blonde hair as a suspect. A
possible color of red as the car they were driving. And that's all
they had. So within 23 hours, when you have agents and police
officers show up at a house in Kansas and you think there might be a
baby in there, you don't know if there is a baby, you don't know if
it's the right baby, is the baby alive, is the baby healthy, all those
things start to come true. You know how elated the agents and police
officers were at that point.

KING: And obviously, Sheriff Espey and his crew in gathering,
did a hell of a job.

LANZA: They did a fantastic job. All the law enforcement
agencies worked together. And one of the keys in this case, Larry,
was getting that Amber Alert out. And the sheriff did an excellent
job at pursuing that and being persistent about getting that Amber
Alert out over the system, because that resulted in some key
information that led to the solution in this case, along with some
computer forensics that were done at a crime lab here in Kansas City.

KING: Sheriff, do you care where she's tried?

ESPEY: No, I don't. Just as long as she gets tried.

KING: All right, now, what do you make of this, Dr. Puryear?
You've seen a lot of cases, I'm sure, none like this. What do you
make of it?

DR. LUCY PURYEAR, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, it's obviously a heinous
crime. And even for a psychiatrist, it's pretty difficult to imagine
what would cause a woman, a mother, to do something like this.

KING: All right, now, also, you're a doctor, right? As a
psychiatrist, you're an MD?

PURYEAR: Correct.

KING: How would she know what to do? How was she able to cut to
get a live baby, healthy baby, out?

PURYEAR: That was one of the questions I had. Maybe by watching
television and seeing C-sections. The fact, though, is doing a
surgery like that, it's often very difficult not to injure the baby by
cutting into the woman's abdomen. So it's remarkable.

KING: Sheriff Espey, what did the mother die of?

ESPEY: The -- what we got from the autopsy and the medical
examiner, she died of strangulation.

KING: So it wasn't the cutting.

ESPEY: Well, I'm sure that played a big part in it. But what
the ruling is, the cause of death, is going to be strangulation.

KING: Jeff Lanza, there's obviously -- I don't know how law
enforcement deals with this. And I'll ask Todd Graves. There's a
mental problem here, isn't there?

LANZA: Well, Larry, I can't go into the state of mind of the
suspect at this time. That will be -- that will be for a later
proceeding. That's not something I can talk about.

KING: But it is boggling to you, isn't it? As a law enforcement
officer, you can't have seen one like this before.

LANZA: Well, it's a very strange case. There's no doubt about
it. I think this is -- this type of thing, for all the officers that
worked on this case -- I mean, we get our heart strings tugged on from
time to time, but this really yanked on them pretty hard. And even
the most hardened FBI agent and sheriff's department officer that's
been around a long time can't help but feel the effect of this tragic
case.

KING: Jim, how are the communities dealing with it?
FLINK: Larry, I mean, to say -- we use the word "shocking" a lot
in media reports, and to say that these two communities are in a state
of shock is such an understatement. I mean, here you have Skidmore,
this small town of 300 in northwest Missouri. It has seen its share
of crime through the years, and certainly it isn't a stranger to it,
but when you have three members of the same family murdered in four
years, and when you have this young girl whose family lives in this
town, they were dazed on Friday when we were up there. They were
absolutely in a state of shock.

Then you have Melvern, where everyone that we talked with about
Lisa Montgomery said, she's a normal person. She's just like you and
I. We talked to a parishioner by the name of Ruth Silver (ph) at
Reverend Wheatly's church. And she said, she's not a bad person.
Something broke, but she's not a bad person. So people are puzzled.
They're lost. They're confused. All sorts of emotions.

KING: And this, Dr. Puryear, is classic? Right? Every other
person says she's normal.

PURYEAR: Well, it's hard to know, again, what the cause of her
doing something like this. You know, if she really did have a
miscarriage or had a still birth at six months, it's possible she was
depressed or experiencing some other traumatic phenomenon. But it's
also possible that something was going on in her life that she felt
desperate about needing to have a child. And that almost caused her
to do something outside the norm of what most people would consider
feasible. It will be interesting to find out what the story is.

KING: Sure will.

We'll take a break. We'll come back, introduce the whole panel.
I'll spend a few moments with Todd Graves, the U.S. attorney who will
prosecute this case. And then we'll go to your calls. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say two threads of information
clinched this case. First, an Amber Alert putting out a call for a
red car. It almost didn't happen. The other, the FBI tracked all
communication on the victim's computer, which led right to the
doorstep of Lisa Montgomery.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE."

I'm going to reintroduce the panel. Then we're going to spend
some time with Todd Graves and then go to your calls.

In Topeka, Kansas, Darrel Schultze, friend of the family of Lisa
Montgomery, he's on your left. The woman accused of killing Bobbie Jo
Stinnett and kidnapping her baby. He saw Lisa and her husband with
the stolen newborn on Friday.
Reverend Mike Wheatly, who's become a spokesperson for the
Montgomery family. A pastor of the First Church of God.

In Maryville, Missouri, Sheriff Ben Espey, sheriff of Nodaway
County, Missouri. The killing and kidnapping occurred in his
jurisdiction and he helped lead the team that broke the case.

Jim Flink of KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Missouri, has been reporting
on the story from the start.

Also in Kansas City, Missouri, is Jeff Lanza, the FBI special
agent.

In Houston, Texas, Dr. Lucy Puryear, psychiatrist and former
director of the psychiatric clinic at the Baylor College of Medicine.

Joining us in Kansas City, we'll spend moments with him alone,
Todd Graves, U.S. Attorney for the western district of Missouri. He
will prosecute the case.

Is that definite, Todd, that this will be a federal case only?

TODD GRAVES, U.S. ATTORNEY: I'm working in conjunction with
Nodaway County Prosecuting Attorney David Baird, and I've also been in
contact with my counterpart in Kansas. And this base has been filed
in the United States District Court in Kansas City, Missouri, and
that's where it will move forward.

KING: It's federal because of the baby being kidnapped?

GRAVES: Yes, it's federal because it goes all the way back to
the early part of the last century, the Lindbergh Law. When there's a
kidnapping and someone dies as a result, there's federal jurisdiction.
And It's something we have some experience with in Kansas City. We
have a state line that divides our city. And so,this isn't the first
case that crosses the state line that we've dealt with.

KING: What are you going to charge her with?

GRAVES: She's charged with a violation of Title 18, United
States Code 1201, which is very simply kidnapping resulting in death.
And that is a charge that carries a maximum penalty of life in prison
without parole or the possibility of the death penalty in the
appropriate case.

KING: Is it your decision whether to ask for the death penalty?

GRAVES: No, that's not my decision alone. That's something --
we have elaborate procedures. It's not something that's taken
lightney (ph) -- lightly. And in the Department of Justice, that is
something that we will be. There's a deliberative process and that
decision will be made. But we have a history of cases like this in
this area. And it's not anything really -- the case certainly is
unusual. But the nature of the charge isn't really anything out of
the ordinary for us.

KING: Does it get as high as the attorney general on a decision
of death or not?

GRAVES: You know, the department speaks with one voice on these
issues. And that's something that does go very high in the
department. But as to the specific procedure, that's not something
that I'm really comfortable sharing.

KING: Are there many death penalty federal cases?

GRAVES: I think there are approximately 30 or a few more than 30
prisoners on death row that have gotten the federal death penalty.
And there are all sort of different crimes that can apply to. Drug
trafficking crimes. Killing of a federal agent. Killing of a federal
witness. There are numerous statutes. We have to have a very
specific statute. We have specific jurisdiction, not general
jurisdiction. And so there are a number of crimes but it has to fit
within one of those categories.

KING: The affidavit says she confessed. Is that correct?

GRAVES: She made a statement. That information is contained in
the affidavit. And I'm not really comfortable as a prosecutor
elaborating on that.

KING: The average person would say, don't you think, Todd, this
person's got to be a little nuts? So, how do you deal with that as a
prosecutor -- mean, obviously, this can't be a normal act.

GRAVES: I'm not sure that any act of violence that results in a
death would be considered a normal act. And that is all information
that calls for speculation, that at this point I couldn't begin to get
into. This defendant has made her first appearance in Kansas City,
Kansas. There are procedural rights. She'll be brought back to
Kansas City, Missouri, where she'll have attorneys appointed. All
those sorts of questions are way down the road for us right now.

KING: This obviously, in your career, has to be the most
unusual.

GRAVES: Well, it's certainly is among the most heart rending,
and it is a very unusual case. I was a state prosecutor before
filling this role. And there -- and believe it or not, there are
other unusual cases. But this one definitely kicks you in the gut. I
happen to be from that rural part of northwest Missouri, so I know a
lot of -- I don't know any of the people involved, but I know a lot of
the people that live in that part of our state. And this is the heart
of America. We are at the geographic and population center of the
country. And to have something happen here that gets this kind of
attention, certainly is something that we don't look forward to.

KING: Have you talked to the suspect?

GRAVES: I could -- again, that's one of those things that I
couldn't even begin to talk about at this point.

KING: And where is she right now?
GRAVES: She is housed on the Kansas side, within a stone's throw
of the state line in a county jail facility under contract to the
state marshals.

KING: So, she'll have to -- got to be a court order moving her,
right?

GRAVES: Yes, but it's not like an extradition. We both, federal
court in Kansas is of the same system as federal court in the state of
Missouri. And so there are procedural rights, but it's not a high
barrier.

KING: Thank you, Todd. Thanks for spending the time with us.

GRAVES: Thank you.

KING: Todd Graves, U.S. Attorney for the western district of
Missouri. He will prosecute.

Our panel remains. We'll go to your phone calls.

Columbus, Ohio, hello.

CALLER: Yes, Larry King, I'd like to know does anybody know when
the baby will be released?

KING: What's the status of the baby? Jim Flink, do you know?

FLINK: Yes, Larry. The baby was released from the Stormont-Vail
Hospital today in Topeka. And just a few hours ago was heading home
with her father, Zeb Stinnett.

KING: Home to Missouri?

FLINK: Correct. Actually, to a small town not far from
Skidmore.

KING: Sheriff Espey, do you know Mr. Stinnett?

ESPEY: Did I know her?

KING: Do you know Mr. Stinnett?

ESPEY: I know who he is, yes. But not personally, I don't know
him.

KING: OK. Noblesville, Indiana, hello.

CALLER: My question is this, what does Lisa Montgomery's husband
have to say about all this? Is he innocent? Is he being charged with
anything?

KING: Reverend Wheatly?

WHEATLY: As far as we know, there's no charges that I've heard
of. I do know that he's very upset about it all, of course. Of
course, he thought he had a baby there for a little while. And he was
very happy about it. And now he's not happy at all about any of this.

KING: Jeff Lanza, has anybody indicated to be involved -- other
than the defendant to be involved in this crime?

LANZA: Well, the investigation has resulted in charges being
filed against one person. Beyond that, I can't make any more comment.

KING: Kansas City, Missouri, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry.

I want to first say I appreciate all your programming, dedication
that you offer every each and every night. And also my condolences go
out to Bobbie Jo's family. And Kansas City, Missouri was amazing in
finding this baby. And it was a true blessing. I just wanted to find
out, how does she come upon that Web site, and get to like the dog
page?

how does she know that woman was pregnant?

Like did they communicate so detailed that she would share up all
that information at one time?

Or is it just the woman came upon her Web site and then the
Virginia lady connected all that together at once?

KING: What do e know? What do we know, Jim Flink?

FLINK: Our sources telling us, Larry, that basically, both of
these women were known to communicate on this rat terrier Web site for
a long period of time. We have a picture today of the two women
appearing at the same dog show roughly a year ago. So we have this
belief now from our sources that they did know one another. Whereas
just yesterday, we thought that they may have been strangers. Now,
authorities know a lot that they can't say or won't say at this point.
But they certainly had a relationship where they knew one another,
maybe not well. But they knew of one another.

KING: Darrel, did they ever talk to you about the dogs?

SCHULTZE: No. No. I knew that they raised was -- they raised
-- I think it's rat terrier dogs and stuff. But no. I never talked
to them about that.

KING: Reverend, did they talk to you ever about dogs?

WHEATLY: Most often. Lisa has been to the house several times
and showed us pictures of the dogs on the Internet that were here
daughter -- one daughter is living now. She's done that a couple,
two, three times. And yes, we were aware of her raising the rat
terriers. And other people being involved in the same kind of circle
that she was in.

KING: Dr. Puryear is that -- I'm sorry who's speaking?

FLINK: Jim Flink here. I might point out that it was a woman
who was on the rat terrier Web site in North Carolina who had seen
this exchange between Bobbie Jo Stinnett and this woman Darlene
Fisher. She had seen that they had arranged this meeting. When she
heard about the Amber alert in North Carolina, it is our understanding
she contacted the FBI and said, you might want to go to this Web site.
The FBI then very quickly was able to track this Darlene Fisher's
domain name back to Reston, Virginia, and then track it down to
Melvern, Kansas, where it was registered to Lisa Montgomery, the
Darlene Fisher name was.

KING: Jeff, does Jim have it right?

LANZA: We ought to put him on the FBI payroll. I think he's got
a lot of information that's very valuable to this investigation. I'm
not going to comment on the specifics of the case. But as you can
tell, Jim's been doing his homework.

KING: Boy, has he. We'll be back with more and more of your
phone calls. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TERRI HOWARD: I believe that he probably doesn't know what he's
feeling right now considering I don't know how somebody could be so
happy to have that happen but be so sad at the same time to have such
a tragic thing happen. But I do feel that he will have a piece of
Bobbie with him for the rest of his life and I'm so very glad that
they got his daughter back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: We're back. Vancouver, British Columbia, hello.

CALLER: Hello. Larry, we love your show in Vancouver.

KING: I can't hear you, are you there? Go ahead.

CALLER: My question is for the reverend. OK, I've never killed
anybody in my life. According to many Christian people that I know,
I'm going to go to hell because I don't go to church and consider
myself a Christian. Now, here was a church-going woman who was
probably considered in the community a good Christian. Is she going
to go to hell for murdering and kidnapping a woman?

KING: Reverend?

WHEATLY: If she doesn't repent of this crime. If she actually
did this crime. It's still alleged now. If she doesn't repent of it,
yes she's going to go to hell.

KING: Pictou Landing, Nova Scotia, hello.

CALLER: I want to say merry Christmas to you and all. I want to
send condolences to the families. My question is, I'm a ranger. The
question I'm asking is, did this lady have any medical background?
Does anybody know? And whether the baby was born -- or during -- was
the baby born before?

KING: What do we know? What's the condition of the baby?

LANZA: I've heard the baby's been released from the hospital.
So I assume the condition is pretty good at this point.

KING: Sheriff, do you know if the suspect had any training at
all?

ESPEY: No, I don't know if she did or not.

KING: Dr. Puryear, what would you guess?

PURYEAR: Probably not. To perform a surgery like that, there's
not -- as I said before, it's difficult to not hurt the baby if you
don't have experience. But it's not a difficult procedure.

KING: Nor is it surprising the baby is healthy, then?

PURYEAR: No, at eight months, about 36 weeks of gestation, she's
very close to being full term. And it's not at all surprising that
the baby's doing well.

KING: Ohio, hello.

CALLER: My question is for anybody on the panel, especially the
doctor. Four years ago, not far from where I live, a similar incident
happened with a little baby Oscar. And it was noted, it was learned
that the woman that committed this crime learned how to perform this
or to remove the baby from the computer, to do the C-section off the
computer. And so what I was wondering, if anybody's going to check
her computer to find out if that's where she got her source of
information from.

KING: You think so, Dr. Puryear?

PURYEAR: Possibly. But you can watch a television show on
almost a daily basis on cable and actually see a C-section performed.
There's really only a couple of layers to go through in the abdomen.
The uterus is very close to the abdominal wall and the baby's right
there.

KING: Billerica, Massachusetts, hello.

CALLER: Hi, how are you doing. I'm calling to question -- to
see if there's a death penalty in Missouri. And if there is, will
they be seeking that? I mean, if anybody -- I mean, any
circumstances, this would probably constitute the death penalty.

KING: The U.S. attorney was on, Jeff, and that decision hasn't
been made. That's made by higher authorities than the attorney
general, right?

LANZA: I think that's what he indicated, that's correct.

KING: Does Missouri have the death penalty, Sheriff?
ESPEY: Yes, it does.

KING: Does Kansas? Kansas, there's a trial going -- isn't there
a court case involving Kansas and the death penalty?

FLINK: There is, Larry, right now. It's going on right now.

KING: So Kansas is not executing -- but this is going to be
federally tried, right, Jeff?

LANZA: That's what the prosecutors at this point have agreed
upon, for a federal trial in this particular case, yes.

KING: We'll take a break and be back with more moments on this
astounding story. Right after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Before we take our next call, Reverend Wheatly I
understand has seen the baby. What can you tell us?

WHEATLY: Actually, sir, I thought the baby was in excellent
shape. Before she went to the hospital, I had the privilege of
holding her for about 15 minutes, my wife for about 45. And she
looked beautiful. She had a little mark on her cheek. It looked like
she might have gouged herself, could have passed it off as that
easily. And she had a little bruise on her hand. But other than
that, she was absolutely beautiful. It was hard to believe she was
even a newborn.

FLINK: If I could interject something real quickly here, we
talked to an OB-GYN today about the dangers of delivering this baby.
And that doctor told us that if you didn't have any regard for the
mother, the actual procedure of performing a C-section is relatively,
in his terms, a relatively easy procedure to perform. It is in
maintaining and assuring that the mother and the child both survive
that procedure, therein lies the difficulty in this procedure. But
if, as the doctor said, if you don't care about the life of the
mother, delivering the baby, he said, would be possible for a lot of
people.

KING: Doctor, could the mother have been dead before the
delivery?

PURYEAR: Sure. Actually, it's not all that uncommon for, let's
say, a mother who's been in a car accident to die, and they're able to
get the mother to the hospital in 10 to 15 minutes and deliver a live
baby. So the baby can survive for a while, even after the mother's
died or passed away.

KING: So the charge of strangulation, she might have strangled
her and then delivered?

PURYEAR: Correct.

KING: To Santa Monica, California, hello.
CALLER: Hello. My question is, has anyone checked Lisa
Montgomery's other children to find out that they too were not taken?

KING: Can we go back that far? Darrel, do we know?

SCHULTZE: No, we don't. No. But we do know the father. And
there's no reason to speculate that.

KING: Junction City, Kansas, hello.

CALLER: Yes, Larry. Thank you for taking my call.

KING: Sure.

CALLER: First of all, my condolences to the Spinnett family. I
would like to ask the reverend the question about, did Lisa Montgomery
show any signs or any significant signs of depression to you? Did she
ever talk to you, did you ever see if she was going through a
depression? I mean, I know I have some depression in my family, and I
know I saw these symptoms very early on, and I tried to help as best I
can. I mean, some people do show. That's my question.

KING: Reverend?

WHEATLY: Actually, that's what makes this whole thing so
difficult is that she had everybody pretty snowed. I mean, as far as
we know, everything was just absolutely normal about Lisa. And she
was just doing her working and going home, and back and forth. And
there wasn't any sign at all of any difference in her.

But then you have to remember too, we didn't see her all the time
either. So, I mean, the last time I saw her was in October when she
came by the house and appeared to be pregnant. So that was the only
time I'd seen her since -- before the day she came with the baby.

KING: Darrel, did you like her?

SCHULTZE: Yes, she was a pleasant person. When she talked about
things -- like I said, she raised -- they raised goats. And she
talked about how they could take the wool from them and weave
different things. And the kids learned to do that. They learned how
to spin the yarn and stuff. So yes, she was a pleasant person.

KING: Dr. Puryear, you wanted to say something?

PURYEAR: I'd like to make a comment about her appearing normal.
It's sort of like in the Andrea Yates case, where people who saw her
said, you know, she seemed to be fine. It's possible to appear to
others to be normal and still be quite mentally ill and have all sorts
of crazy thoughts. I don't know specifically about Ms. Montgomery,
because I've not examined her, but it is possible for potentially her
to be mentally ill and no one would know it.

KING: Halifax, Nova Scotia, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry. Thank you for taking my call.
KING: Sure.

CALLER: Happy holidays to you.

KING: Thank you. Same to you.

CALLER: I have a question for the doctor.

KING: Yeah.

CALLER: My question is, is that could this accused lady possibly
be schizophrenic?

KING: Doctor?

PURYEAR: That's -- probably not. People with schizophrenia
usually have odd ways of speaking, odd thoughts, odd behaviors. You
know, if she is severely ill, it's more likely that she's having odd
beliefs. And I'll give an example. Something like, I didn't have a
miscarriage, someone took my baby from me, and I have to go get -- you
know, have to go retrieve it. Again, I'm not saying that's what she's
thinking, but it would be an illness something like that, where she
could appear to be normal but have unusual thoughts.

KING: Thank you all very much. And hopefully in the days and
months ahead, we'll learn a lot more. And we appreciate everyone on
the panel for participating in this program tonight.

I'll be back in a couple of minutes to tell you about tomorrow
night. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Tomorrow night on LARRY KING LIVE, a major program on the
death penalty. And a special show Sunday night. We'll talk -- and he
doesn't do any interviews -- with the president of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Gordon Hinckley, the prophet of the
Mormons, will be our special guest on a special Sunday night edition
of LARRY KING LIVE.

Speaking of special, you know, it's weird to have a show every
night and call it special, but that's what we do around here with
"NEWSNIGHT." When we talk about "NEWSNIGHT," we say it's special.
And that's the reason it's special, Aaron Brown. So what's special
tonight, Mr. B?

AARON BROWN, HOST, "NEWSNIGHT": We're going to talk about drugs,
again, the legal ones and the troubles they cause. I'm not going to
see you for a while. Have a good holiday and safe travels.

KING: You too, my man. Be well.

BROWN: I'll talk to you soon. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

What's Wrong With This Picture!

Anonymous said...

To: "Your Next",

May you die alone!

Anonymous said...

TO: "NUTS IS NORMAL FOR US",

YOU SHOULD CHECK YOUR EMAILS MORE OFTEN.

Anonymous said...

To: Pat,

Thank You, for the use of your blog.

Anonymous said...

:D

Anonymous said...

Thank You! To The Support Groups.

Darlene Jones :D

Anonymous said...

Gee, Todd, You're right it isn't UNUSAL...

1/15/2005 7:38:46 PM
Father Charged with Assault on Baby
Kansas City, MO-22 year old Gerry Bradley at first told police his 2 year old son jumped off the sofa and landed on his baby sister. After doctors checked out the 5 month old little girl, they said there's no way the injuries happened that way. Bradley ended up confessing. Bradley said at one point on Wednesday he slapped the little girl, she flew off the sofa and her head hit a metal toy on the floor. At another point, he put his arm on the little girl's chest, to keep her from moving while he changed her diaper. The little girl has head injuries, broken ribs and bruises. Bradley faced up to two life sentences. The mother was working at the time, she's the one that took the little girl to the hospital. She doesn't face any charges. The two year old boy appears to have no signs of abuse.

Leslie Adkins, Fox 4 News
ladkins@wdaftv4.com

Anonymous said...

Unusual or not... It must STOP!

The Kansas City Star Had a much more graphic and detailed account of the incident. The father punched and bruised and gave that 5 month old baby girl a severe beating, doctors said. Bruised internal organs, broken ribs, shall I go on?

I could write a book of these accounts!

Anonymous said...

In my opinion, She should be charged with being Stupid!

Why don't you start educating your people and get them out of that mode.

Take violence out of fatherhood...

Anonymous said...

From everything I’ve read, Bobbie Jo was her mommy’s Golden Girl. She didn’t do anything wrong. She was a shining student in High School, cheerleader, happy, well adjusted. lots of friends.

She married her sweetheart a Handsome Man. She was doing everything right. Her husband and her were just starting out. Nobody starts at the top unless their born with a Silver Spoon In Their Mouth.

She was young, she was in love. She had dreams of owning her own house. She was going to have her baby which she was very happy about and looking forward to motherhood..

Bobbie had her own web site and a at home business. Her and Zeb both worked at the same place. I read that Bobbie Jo’s mother checked on her daughter about every 2 hours. Bobbie Jo Stinnett should have been a Grandmother.

Now it’s not likely Bobbie Jo’s husband Zeb Stinnett could ever go back to living their house. Her Mother will be devastated for the rest of her LIFE! Her daughter will never have a mommy! One day she will become curious and want to know why and her family will have to tell her.
Bobbie’s Family has been made to suffer and mourn beyond belief!.

Some people in the small town of Skidmore, say, it’s an evil town, a bad place and it’s cursed, said, Pastor Harold Hamon, who married Bobbie and Zeb.

The town is not evil. It’s the system that’s evil and we have to change it!

Anonymous said...

Maryville Daily Forum 01/19/05



SUSPECT TO ENTER PLEA

Montgomery's arraignment is Thursday in Kansas City

By MATT KELSEY

newsroom@asde.net

Forum Managing Editor

Nearly five weeks to the minute after Bobbie Jo Stinnett was murdered, Lisa Montgomery will be asked to enter a plea on the charge that she killed Stinnett and cut the baby from her womb.

Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kan., will be arraigned before U.S. District Judge Gary A. Fenner at 2:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 20, in courtroom 8A of the federal courthouse in Kansas City, Mo. She is accused of killing Stinnett at around 2:30 p.m. Thursday, Dec. 16.

According to investigators, Montgomery allegedly set up a meeting with Stinnett, a 23-year-old dog breeder from Skidmore, on Dec. 16. Upon arriving at Stinnett's home, Montgomery strangled Stinnett with a rope and cut the eight-month fetus from her womb. She returned to her hometown and tried to pass the baby off as her own before being caught by law enforcement officials.

Speculation runs rampant about how Montgomery will plead, but the two most likely pleas seem to be guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity.

Montgomery will clear up that speculation five weeks to the day.

The charge of kidnapping resulting in death carries a maximum penalty of death or life in prison. U.S. Attorney Todd Graves has said the Justice Department has not decided whether they will pursue the death penalty.

Montgomery was indicted by a federal grand jury on Wednesday, and Graves said the indictment document kept the death penalty as an option for prosecutors since Montgomery committed the crime "in an especially heinous, cruel and depraved manner in that the killing involved serious physical abuse to Bobbie Jo Stinnett."

The wording of that sentence in the indictment document is lifted directly from the "Manual of Model Criminal Instructions for the District Courts of the Eighth Circuit," which in section 12.07F says the death penalty can be used if the crime is committed in an "especially heinous, cruel or depraved manner."

The U.S. Attorney's office sent copies of the jury manual to media outlets on Thursday to point out the passage. The manual goes on to define heinous, cruel and depraved.

"Heinous," according to the manual, "means extremely wicked or shockingly evil, where the killing was accompanied by such additional acts of torture or serious physical abuse of the victim as to set it apart from other killings.

"'Cruel' means that the defendant intended to inflict a high degree of pain by torturing the victim in addition to killing the victim."

"'Depraved' means that the defendant relished the killing or showed indifference to the suffering to the victim, as evidenced by torture or serious physical abuse of the victim."

Among other things, the word "torture" could apply to the Montgomery case, since Stinnett may have still been alive when the baby was cut out of her. If Stinnett has already been killed, the murderer would have only had a few minutes to remove the baby before it died from a lack of oxygen, according to medical experts.

In describing "torture," the jury manual says "the victim must have been conscious of the abuse at the time it was inflicted, and the defendant must have specifically intended to inflict severe mental or physical pain or suffering upon the victim, in addition to the killing of the victim."

Earlier this week, Montgomery's family spoke out, saying they always new Montgomery had problems with the truth.

Her mother, Judy Shaughnessy, had a shocking reaction when she found out Montgomery had a baby: ''I just said, 'Yeah, right, she either stole it or bought it.''

''There is a difference between evil and insane, and I think she's evil,'' her half-sister, Jerri Kleiner, said.

Montgomery has been assigned two public defenders in the case. She is currently being held in a federal detention facility in Leavenworth, Kan.

Anonymous said...

From Todd P. Graves office: www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow

1/13/05 Update: Arraignment scheduled for Montgomery
Arraignment and initial court appearance for Lisa M. Montgomery has been scheduled for 2:30 p.m. Thursday, Jan. 20, 2005, before U.S. District Judge Gary A. Fenner in Courtroom 8A.

Anonymous said...

Today, I have read everything from, WRONGFUL - DEATH LAWSUITS. To High profile sex case with a child. To a Mother holding her screaming daughter in Scalding water. To a Pastor who was know for his kindness gunned down in his own home. To a 5 month old baby severly beaten by her own father.

That was just 3 papers from KS. and MO. I didn't even read the entire text.

No wonder Todd P Graves said it was "Normal". The District would go broke procecuting each and every case to the fullest extent of the law.

WHAT'S GOING ON?!

Do you people have such little disreguard for Human Life, that is doesn't matter?

Anonymous said...

After reading more KS. & MO. newspapers I can’t believe this is the United States of America! Does everyone know someone, that has been murdered? It sure sounds like it. I read one paper and it said in Kansas, 1 out of every 10 people live in poverty.

Are we trying to turn the U.S. into a 3rd World Country? We better start paying more attention to the problems at home!

Americans need better education, housing and jobs. When you send companies to China and sell back products to the United States. You’re trading Democracy for Communism.

We certainly pay enought taxes for every one to have decent housing and jobs! And for EVERYONE to have JUSTICE!

Anonymous said...

________________________________________________________

Thursday, January 20, 2005
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Anonymous said...

President Bush is spending $ 40,000.00 Million Dollars, Today. Honoring himself celebrating his Inauguration. While millions of women, mothers and victims read Headline like this. (Isn’t Mark Owens one of the defense attorneys that defended Lisa Montgomery the first time around?)

Kansas City Star

Posted on Thu, Jan. 20, 2005

Infant’s death goes to jury

By Robert A. Cronkleton, The Kansas City Star

A Wyandotte County jury will begin deliberating the fate today of a Bonner Springs mother accused of murdering her infant daughter in October 2003.

Stephanie D. Thomas is accused of striking the head of her 10-week-old daughter, Avalon Thomas, against the top of a clothes dryer the night of Oct. 19, 2003, after becoming frustrated that the colicky baby continued to cry.

Thomas is accused of first-degree murder. The jury can consider a lesser charge of child abuse.

Thomas, who says she is innocent, told jurors Wednesday that she had unintentionally overdosed on a sedative and had no memory of the night.

“The truth is I don’t know what happened that night,” Thomas testified. “I wished I did.”

She said that a statement she gave police, in which she admitted killing Avalon, was speculation, not what she knew had happened. She testified that she was only agreeing to what a Bonner Springs detective had suggested she had done.

In closing statements, Assistant District Attorney Renee Henry told jurors that Thomas was a frustrated mother who had a colicky baby who wouldn’t stop crying. Henry said on the night of Avalon’s death, Thomas gave the baby an extremely high level of diphenhydramine, more commonly known as Benadryl, to get her to sleep.

Henry said that when that didn’t work, Thomas beat Avalon’s head against the top of the dryer three times and placed he in a bassinet near it. Thomas then went to bed, Henry said. The next morning, Thomas found that her daughter had died.

“She is accused of the most unspeakable crime – killing one’s own child,” Henry said. “No one admits to that unless they did it.”

As for Thomas’ claims that she didn’t remember, Henry told jurors that Thomas indeed did remember.

“She knows what she did, but she is trying to get out of it,” Henry said.

One of Thomas’ defense attorneys, Mark Owens, painted a different picture for jurors. He said authorities aggressively went after his client to prove that she killed her own child. He questioned the autopsy, saying authorities prematurely declared the child’s death a homicide.

“She is not just a good mother, but a great mother,” Owens said.

Owens said that a mistake had been made when Thomas had her prescription filled. The sedative, which is known to affect a person’s memory, was four times what the strength it should have been.

Owens said it was unfortunate her husband, who was out of town at the time, had told her that police wouldn’t believe her if she said she didn’t remember anything.

“Stephanie Thomas isn’t guilty of anything,” Owen said. “Stephanie Thomas didn’t abuse her child. Stephanie Thomas didn’t murder her child.”

To reach Robert A. Cronkleton, call (816) 234-5994 or send e-mail to bcronkleton@kcstar.com

Anonymous said...

In my opinion and belief:

Does that remind you of Anyone?

Anonymous said...

In my opinion and belief:

Big Business is running Our Country into the Ground! And Politicians are just their puppets sharing the Greed!


Its official website, inaugural05.com, said Saturday that 25.5 million dollars in gifts from private citizens and businesses had been received as of January 14. Just in the past week, 27 individuals and 45 companies gave 7.7 million dollars.


Gifts ranged from 25,000 to 250,000 dollars.


Among the private donors was Marna Schnabel, who contributed 100,000 dollars. Schnabel is the wife of Rockwell Schnabel, the US ambassador to the European Union (news - web sites) since 2001.


Also feeling generous was Richard Farmer, chief of Cintas, a US work-uniform giant. Farmer, who gave 250,000 dollars to Bush's re-election campaign, chipped in with another 100,000 dollars for the inaugural committee. The Washington Post reported that he is a main beneficiary of a recent law easing industrial laundry pollution regulations.


Among businesses delivering 250,000 dollars to the committee were banks such as Wachovia and Bank of America; oil concerns such as ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil; pharmaceutical firms such as Pfizer; carmaker Ford; communications groups AT and T and Time Warner; and hotel chains such as Marriott and Ritz-Carlton.

Anonymous said...

The (40 Million Dollars and ...................00/100)

Break Down: 25.5 million BIG BUSINESS, the rest the Tax Payers, you do the math.


The 55th Presidential Inauguration DONOR INFORMATION

Major Donor Information:

1. ACS State & Local Solutions, Inc. Washington DC $250,000
A.G. Spanos Stockton CA $250,000
AFLAC, Incorporated Columbus GA $100,000
AFLAC, Incorporated Columbus GA $150,000
A. J. Scribante Omaha NE $100,000
Alan B. Fabian Cockeysville MD $100,000
Al Hoffman, Jr. Fort Myers FL $100,000
Alagem Capital Group, LLC Beverly Hills CA $250,000
Alexander F. Treadwell Westport NY $100,000
Altria Corporate Services, Inc. New York NY $250,000
American Bankers Association Washington DC $25,000
American Chemistry Council Arlington VA $25,000
American Financial Cincinnati OH $250,000
American Health Care Association Washington DC $50,000
Ameriquest Capital Corporation Orange CA $250,000
Amgen, Inc. Thousand Oaks CA $100,000
Andrew C. Taylor St. Louis MO $100,000
Anheuser-Busch Cos., Inc. Washington DC $100,000
Argent Mortgage Company Orange CA $250,000
AT&T Washington DC $250,000
Bank of America Corporation Charlotte NC $250,000
Barbour, Griffith & Rogers, LLC Washington DC $25,000
Bensco, Inc. Metairie LA $100,000
Benson Football Metaire LA $100,000
Benson Mineral Group, Inc. Denver CO $100,000
Beverly Enterprises, Inc. Fort Smith AR $50,000
Beverly Enterprises, Inc. Fort Smith AR $20,000
Bill G. Hartley Tyler TX $25,000
Blank Rome, LLP Philadelphia PA $200,000
BlueCross BlueShield of Florida, Inc. Jacksonville FL $100,000
Bob Tuttle Beverly Hills CA $25,000
Boone Pickens Dallas TX $250,000
Bradford M. Freeman Los Angeles CA $100,000
Bristol-Myers Squibb Washington DC $250,000
Broadcast Music, Inc. Nashville TN $25,000
Burlington Norhtern & Sanata Fe Corp. Topeka KS $250,000
Burton J. McMurtry Portola Valley CA $50,000
California Farm Bureau Federation Sacramento CA $100,000
Carl H. Lindner Cincinnati OH $250,000
C. Edward McVaney Greenwood Village CO $100,000
Century Homebuilders, LLC Miami FL $100,000
Charles E. Cobb, Jr. Coral Gables FL $25,000
Charles D. Miller Pasadena CA $100,000
Cherie and Robin Arkley Eureka CA $100,000
CheveronTexaco Concord CA $250,000
Cinergy Corporation Cincinnati OH $250,000
Cisco Systems, Inc. San Jose CA $100,000
Clearwire Corporation Kirkland WA $100,000
Computer Associates International, Inc. Islandia NY $100,000
Corporate Capital, LLC New Orleans LA $250,000
Cove Partners, LLC Santa Monica CA $100,000
Cove Partners, LLC Santa Monica CA $25,000
Credit Union National Association Madison WI $50,000
CSC Federal Sector Headquarters Falls Church VA $25,000
David Girard-diCarlo Washington DC $50,000
Direct Supply, Inc. Milwaukee WI $25,000
Donald J. Carty Dallas TX $100,000
Dr. Miriam Ochshorn Adelson Las Vegas NV $250,000
Duane Acklie Lincoln NE $100,000
Dwight C. Schar McLean VA $100,000
Edison Electric Institute Washington DC $25,000
Edison Electric Institute Washington DC $25,000
EDS Plano TX $100,000
Elliott Broidy Los Angeles CA $250,000
Entrepreneurial Capital Corporation Newport Beach CA $100,000
E-Team Communications Austin TX $50,000
Exxon Mobil Corporation Washington DC $250,000
Fairfax Reality, Inc. Salt Lake City UT $100,000
FedEx Corporation Memphis TN $250,000
First Data Corporation Greenwood Village CO $250,000
Ford Motor Company Dearborn MI $250,000
Frank Baxter Los Angeles CA $100,000
Frederick R. Meyer Dallas TX $25,000
George Richmond Earth City MO $50,000
GMAC Horsham PA $100,000
Golden Eagle Industries, Inc. Charlotte NC $250,000
H. Edward Baher Bluffton SC $250,000
Horizon Bay Management, LLC Tampa FL $25,000
Hratch Kaprielian New York NY $25,000
HSBC USA Inc. Mt. Prospect IL $25,000
Hunt Consolidated, Inc. Dallas TX $250,000
Hunter Engineering Company Bridgeton MO $100,000
Ilene L. Flaum and David M. Flaum Rochester NY $100,000
Independent Community Bankers of America Washington DC $100,000
International Paper Memphis TN $100,000
International Traders, INC Nashville NC $30,000
Intervest Construction, Inc. Daytona Beach FL $100,000
J. Ronald Terwilliger Key Largo FL $100,000
Jack Overstreet Englewood CO $100,000
James A. Haslam, II Knoxville TN $50,000
Jerome V. Ansel Boca Raton FL $100,000
JM Family Enterprises, Inc. Deerfield Beach FL $25,000
John Elliot Associates Charleston WV $30,000
John L. Kemmerer, III Morristown NJ $100,000
John W. Childs Boston MA $100,000
JPMorgan Chase Houston TX $100,000
KB Home Los Angeles CA $100,000
Kenneth J. Kies McLean VA $25,000
Kojaian Ventures, LLC Bloomfield Hill MI $250,000
Lawrence Auriana Greenwich CT $100,000
Lawrence Lacerte Dallas TX $25,000
Leach Capital, LLC San Francisco CA $100,000
Linger Longer Development Co. Greensboro GA $100,000
LMD Properties, LLC High Point NC $50,000
Lockheed Martin Corporation Arlington VA $100,000
Long Beach Acceptance Corp. Paramus NJ $250,000
Lydian Asset Management Westport CT $25,000
Marathon Oil Corporation Houston TX $25,000
Marc S. Goldman Hoboken NJ $100,000
Marc S. Goldman Hoboken NJ $150,000
Marna D. Schnabel Los Angeles CA $100,000
Marriott International, Inc. Washington DC $250,000
Marriott Vacation Club International Washington DC $250,000
Matthew R. Simmons Houston TX $100,000
Max M. Fisher Detroit MI $100,000
MCI Ashburn VA $25,000
Michael W. Murphy El Dorado AR $25,000
Microsoft Corporation Redmond WA $100,000
Morgan Stanley Jersey City NJ $100,000
Nancy and Jeffrey Marcus Dallas TX $100,000
Nancy and Rich Kinder Houston TX $250,000
National Association of Home Builders Washington DC $250,000
National Association of Realtors Chicago IL $50,000
Ned L. Siegel Boca Raton FL $100,000
Nelson Peltz New York NY $250,000
New Breed Corporate Services, Inc. Greensboro NC $25,000
New Breed Corporation Greensboro NC $25,000
New Century Mortgage Corporation Irvine CA $100,000
New Energy Corp. South Bend IN $250,000
Nicholas Taubman Roanoke VA $50,000
Northrop Grumman Los Angeles CA $100,000
Nuclear Energy Institute Washington DC $100,000
Occidental Petroleum Corporation Los Angeles CA $250,000
Office of the Commissioner of Baseball New York NY $100,000
Oracle Corporation Rocklin CA $100,000
Peabody Holding Company, Inc. St. Louis MO $100,000
Pepsi-Cola Company Purchase NY $100,000
Perennial Strategy Group, LLC Washington DC $25,000
Pfizer, Inc. New York NY $250,000
Phil Wendel Charlottesville VA $100,000
Pilot Corporation Knoxville TN $50,000
Piper Rudnick Washington DC $25,000
PricewaterhouseCoopers Tampa FL $25,000
Qualcomm Incorporated San Diego CA $100,000
Retzer Resources, Inc. Greenville MS $25,000
Richard Warren Lake Forest CA $100,000
Rick J. Caruso Los Angeles CA $100,000
Robert Day Los Angeles CA $100,000
Robert C. Rhein Interests, Inc. Cincinnati OH $100,000
Robert Frank Pence McLean VA $100,000
Robert W. Johnson, IV New York NY $100,000
Rooney Holdings, Inc. Tulsa OK $250,000
R. T. Farmer Cincinnati OH $100,000
S. Davis Phillips High Point NC $250,000
Sallie Mae, Inc. Reston VA $250,000
Sam & Marilyn Fox St. Louis MO $100,000
SBC Communications, Inc. Washington DC $100,000
ServiceMaster Memphis TN $25,000
Sheldon G. Adelson Las Vegas NV $250,000
Southern Company Atlanta GA $250,000
Stanley P. Whitcomb, Jr. Bonita Springs FL $25,000
Stephen A. Schwarzman New York NY $100,000
Stephens Group, Inc. Little Rock AR $250,000
Strongbow Technologies, Corp. Burtonsville MD $250,000
Susan and Michael Dell Austin TX $250,000
TC Management Partners IV, LLC Washington DC $100,000
Terry & Jane Semel Beverly Hills CA $125,000
The Boeing Company Arlington VA $100,000
The Coca Cola Company Washington DC $100,000
The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. New York NY $100,000
The Home Depot Washington DC $250,000
The Limited Service Corporation Columbus OH $100,000
The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, LLC Chevy Chase MD $250,000
The Shaw Group, Inc. Baton Rouge LA $100,000
The Timken Company Canton OH $250,000
The Washington Post Washington DC $100,000
Thien H. Nguyen Redington Beach FL $100,000
Thomas F. Petway, III Jacksonville FL $100,000
Thomas F. Stephenson Atherton CA $225,000
Time Warner New York NY $250,000
Titus Electrical Contracting, Inc. Austin TX $100,000
Tom Benson Metairie LA $50,000
Town and Country Credit Irvine CA $250,000
Toyota Motor North America, Inc. New York NY $25,000
TRT Holdings Inc. Irving TX $100,000
Tyson Springdale AR $100,000
Union Pacific Corporation Washington DC $100,000
United Parcel Service Roswell GA $250,000
United Technologies Hartford CT $250,000
UST Inc. Greenwich CT $250,000
Valhi, Inc. Dallas TX $100,000
Vernon G. Buchanan Sarasota FL $100,000
Wachovia Corporation Jacksonville FL $250,000
Washington Group International Boise ID $25,000
Washington Television Center Washington DC $250,000
Waste Management Service Center Houston TX $100,000
Well Care Health Plans, Inc. Tampa FL $100,000
William Earl Riggs Pleasantton CA $100,000
William O. DeWitt, Jr. Cincinnati OH $100,000
Williams & Jensen, PC Washington DC $50,000

* UPDATED AS OF FRIDAY, JANUARY 14, 2004

Anonymous said...

AND THAT... VICTORIA JO, IS WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR MOMMY.

Anonymous said...

President Bush, I hope you have fun at your, Inaugural Balls.

Anonymous said...

(CNN)
Woman pleads not guilty to fetus kidnapping
Federal judge sets trial to begin in March
Thursday, January 20, 2005 Posted: 10:23 PM EST (0323 GMT)



Lisa Montgomery in a December 20, 2004, booking photograph.


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(CNN) -- The Kansas woman accused of strangling a pregnant acquaintance and cutting the 8-month-old fetus from her womb pleaded not guilty Thursday, and is to stand trial the week of March 14, federal prosecutors said.

Appearing before U.S. Chief Magistrate Judge John Maughmer in Kansas City, Missouri, Lisa Montgomery pleaded not guilty to the charge of kidnapping resulting in death, said Don Ledford, a spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office there.

A trial date has not been set, he said.

Montgomery, 36, was represented by two public defenders, and the judge indicated he may appoint a third because of the potential for a death sentence.

Ledford said prosecutors had not decided whether to seek the death penalty.

Montgomery, who waived her preliminary hearing in December, waived a reading of the grand jury indictment Thursday. The indictment was returned January 12.

Prosecutors say Montgomery strangled 23-year-old Bobbie Jo Stinnett on December 16 in Skidmore, Missouri, then cut the near-term fetus from the mother's womb and kidnapped the baby.

Montgomery, a mother of four, then allegedly passed off the baby as her own back in her Kansas hometown of Melvern. The FBI said Montgomery confessed to the crime. (Full story)

The baby, Victoria Jo Stinnett, was recovered December 17 and presented to her father.

Montgomery and Bobbie Jo Stinnett became acquainted through a community of rat terrier dog breeders. They met at least once, at a dog show in Abilene, Kansas, several months before Stinnett's death.

Authorities said Montgomery, using a fictitious name, contacted Stinnett through an online chat room and expressed interest in a rat terrier dog, the breed the Stinnetts bred and sold.

Montgomery allegedly obtained directions to Stinnett's home in Skidmore, Missouri, and visited her there December 16. Hours later, officials said, Stinnett's mother found her body. (Full story)

Montgomery is being held at a detention facility in Leavenworth, Kansas.

Anonymous said...

Published Friday, January 21, 2005

Woman pleads innocent

U.S. attorney likely to ask for death penalty in stolen baby case

A D V E R T I S E M E N T
By Matt Sedensky
The Associated Press
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A woman charged with strangling an expectant mother and cutting the baby from her womb pleaded innocent Thursday, and prosecutors said they are leaning toward seeking the death penalty.

Lisa M. Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kan., didn't speak during the brief hearing before U.S. Magistrate Judge John Maughmer, who asked U.S. Attorney Todd Graves if he planned to seek a death sentence.

"That is the direction we are going," Graves said.

Montgomery is charged with a single federal count of kidnapping resulting in death in the Dec. 16 slaying of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, a 23-year-old who was eight months pregnant with her first child.

The baby, later named Victoria Jo by her father, survived the attack. She was found the next day with Montgomery in Kansas.

Anita Burns, Montgomery's public defender, declined to speak with reporters after the hearing. Maughmer said Thursday that he would appoint additional counsel for Montgomery in light of prosecutors' likely pursuit of a death sentence.

Authorities have said Montgomery admitted to the crime, the eighth of its kind recorded in the United States since 1983, according to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

David Berg, a lawyer who wrote "The Trial Lawyer: What It Takes To Win," said Montgomery's attorneys must immediately try to humanize their client to the public -- and potential jurors -- by showing any good she has done or any troubles she has faced.

"The major issue they've got is that she is publicly hated," Berg said. "They can find an opportunity in open court to say things about the client that might humanize her. If she's had a history of illness, then it's important that the public understand that. Otherwise her evil is beyond comprehension."


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:: Dec. 31, 2004 -- Woman won't be released
:: Dec. 29, 2004 -- Judge taps lawyer
:: Dec. 28, 2004 -- Montgomery to appear before federal judge
:: Dec. 24, 2004 -- Case moves out of Kansas
:: Dec. 23, 2004 -- Past pregnancy claims false
:: Dec. 22, 2004 -- Custody fight loomed
:: Dec. 22, 2004 -- Tragedy leaves towns reeling
:: Dec. 22, 2004 -- Hospital fielded hundreds of inquiries about infant
:: Dec. 21, 2004 -- Pregnant victim, suspect had been together at dog show
:: Dec. 21, 2004 -- Suspect in court
:: Dec. 21, 2004 -- Melvern bands together for victim
:: Dec. 21, 2004 -- Husband says he didn't know baby wasn't his
:: Dec. 20, 2004 -- Investigators followed digital trail to suspect's cyberspace address
:: Dec. 20, 2004 -- Lawmaker, law enforcement spar over Amber Alert
:: Dec. 20, 2004 -- Clergy hint at brutal death
:: Dec. 19, 2004 -- Couple showed off newborn
:: Dec. 18, 2004 -- Baby found safe; woman charged
Court filings
Request for change in custody (12/18/04)
Judge's response to custody request (12/18/04)
Motion for minor in custody (12/10/04) (names of children have been omitted from the filing)
Affidavit
Criminal complaint

He and other legal experts said defense attorneys may be best served by pursuing an insanity defense, which studies have found is used in a tiny fraction of cases, often unsuccessfully.
"The insanity defense is always a difficult defense," said Rodney Uphoff, a law professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia. "If Jeffrey Dahmer can be found to be not insane by a jury and he's actually been eating people, I think that speaks to how difficult it is."

Berg said the insanity defense may be difficult, "but that's about the only possible defense they have."

A key to winning a judgment of not guilty by reason of insanity often is showing the crime wasn't premeditated, experts said.

But prosecutors already have amassed a play-by-play account leading up to Stinnett's killing that they intend to use as evidence of premeditation.

Investigators followed a digital trail to Montgomery, which they said shows she communicated online with Stinnett the day before the attack. The two had become acquainted through a community of rat terrier dog breeders, but authorities said Montgomery used an alias in her online conversations with Stinnett.



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Anonymous said...

The ABOVE article can be found at:

The Topeka Kansas Capital - Journal


cjonline.com



free archives.

Anonymous said...

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FRIDAY, JANUARY 21, 2005
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Anonymous said...

In my belief and opinion:

Sources Say:

It is Common in Kansas, for Dog Breeders to perform "Cesareans" on their own Dogs.


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That was nice of Todd, to give Lisa a make over, complete with blond hair, in the courtroom composite drawing today, shown on CNN. 01/21/05

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Yeah

1:52 AM
Anonymous said...
In my belief and opinion:

Sources Say:

It is common in Kansas, for Dog Breeders to perform Cesareans on their Dogs.

2:07 PM
Anonymous said...
READ PREVIOUS COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG

http://patfish.blogspot.com

The Kaityln Mae Book

ARTICLES:

1. “Comments/Response: Lots more on Lisa Montgomery”, 1/13/05
Features:
a. FBI report, click, (the official affidavit). Just below Lisa’s picture.
b. Post of a letter written to Todd P. Graves requesting Kevin Montgomery to take a lie detector test.
c. Post of a letter written to Don Ledford, Mr. Graves Assistant. Requesting he take a look into conflicting statements made by Kevin Montgomery and his employer, Daryl Schultz.
d. Post of newspaper reports of the account. A MUST READ!
e. Post signed, Carl Boman. Lisa’s ex-husband.
f. Post of “The Larry King Show” transcript featured Guests include: Todd P. Graves, Rev. Mike Wheatly, friend to Montgomery’s Darrel Schultze.
g. Lisa Montgomery Pleas Not Guilty. Read reports from CNN and The Topeka Capital - Journal.

2. “The Tragic Death of Bobbie Jo Stinnett” 12/21/04
Features:
a. Parties who were involved.
b. Lisa practiced Cesareans on her dogs.

FYI, the Boman’s were divorced in 1998.

3. “Bobbie Jo Stinnett Comments”, 12/30/04
Features:
a. Post by a “Stinnett”, family member.
b. Picture of Lisa and Bobbie Jo Stinnett together, at a dog show.

4. “Sudden Development on the Bobbie Jo Stinnett Murder”, 1/02/05
Features:
a. Post, believed to be by Carl Boman. Lisa’s ex-husband.

2:39 PM
Anonymous said...
The Women and Children in the United States are being Terrorized, Traumatize, Mutilated, Raped, Abducted, Kidnaped, Murdered and left Physically Impaired. One 15 year old in California had both of her arms chopped off with an axe, just above the wrist. They let the man Larry Singleton, back out in to Society, after only 8 years.

Notorious Criminal, Larry Singleton, Dead at 74

One of the most notorious criminals in California's history has died on Florida's Death Row. Larry Singleton died Friday of cancer at the age of 74.

Singleton was convicted of raping and trying to kill 15-year-old Mary Vincent in 1978 after he picked her up hitch-hiking near Modesto. He cut off her arms and left her to die. She survived. Singleton was sent to prison, but he was paroled in 1987 after serving just eight years in prison.

After he was paroled, no city in California would accept him, so Singleton moved to his childhood home in Tampa, Florida. In 1997, he murdered 31-year-old Roxanne Hayes. He was convicted and sentenced to die.

Singleton died Friday, before an execution date had been set.

Story last update Monday, December 31, 2001 - 8:01 PM

2:48 PM
Anonymous said...
The ABOVE article:

Notorious Criminal, Larry Singleton, Dead at 74

News 10 abc net

KXTV - SACRAMENTO - STOCKTON - MODESTO

http://www.news10.net

6:17 PM
Anonymous said...
THE FLOOR IS NOW, OPEN.

ELVIS, HAS LEFT THE BUILDING.


DARLENE JONES
FRIDAY, JANUARY 21, 2005

6:36 PM
Anonymous said...
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SATURDAY, JANUARY 22, 2005
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In my personal belief and opinion,

To Bobbie Jo’s Family, Please Except my Sincere Condolences.

Prevention is the Solution.

“An Ounce of Prevention is Worth a Pound of Cure” - Benjamin Franklin

Wal Mart, if you don’t want, American Products ,we don’t Want You!

Mr. Bush, the Dalai Lama doesn’t want to be a Republican.

In my personal belief and opinion,


To Mr. President,

1. Stop Clear Cutting “OUR” National Forest!

2. Clean up our Waterways and Stop Water Pollution.

3. Stop Air Pollution.


Now, you and your brother Jeb, dive into that, like Geronimo.

1:18 PM